Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ
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JeffTD
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As a political science major, I've gone over this phenomenon in detail...
Essentially, political affiliation and religious orientation are related to socioeconomic standings, and it's an easy enough argument to say that the more wealthy a person is, the smarter they are/higher their IQ will be (assuming that IQ is an accurate test of intelligence to begin with). This doesn't surprise me.
Neither does the sexual exclusivity part, but I hadn't considered it - it makes a lot of sense:
You can link sexual exclusivity to influence from parents and the surroundings they were raised in - generally, people who are more wealthy (and thus smart based on the previous example) tend to be monogamous, or at least tend to be in loving relationships and divorce is far more of an exception than a rule. They're obviously going to instill those same ideals in their kids, who will benefit from the genetics of a smart parent.
Essentially, political affiliation and religious orientation are related to socioeconomic standings, and it's an easy enough argument to say that the more wealthy a person is, the smarter they are/higher their IQ will be (assuming that IQ is an accurate test of intelligence to begin with). This doesn't surprise me.
Neither does the sexual exclusivity part, but I hadn't considered it - it makes a lot of sense:
You can link sexual exclusivity to influence from parents and the surroundings they were raised in - generally, people who are more wealthy (and thus smart based on the previous example) tend to be monogamous, or at least tend to be in loving relationships and divorce is far more of an exception than a rule. They're obviously going to instill those same ideals in their kids, who will benefit from the genetics of a smart parent.
I disagree with that. Maybe as you get up to 'pretty smart' sure but once you hit 'high' IQ, these people can struggle with society. Yet another reason metal has alot of the smartypantses. On top of that the upper/middle class has some shocking parental priorities! Based on the following of money/career...
Basically, I just can't generalise like that
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I disagree with that. Maybe as you get up to 'pretty smart' sure but once you hit 'high' IQ, these people can struggle with society. Yet another reason metal has alot of the smartypantses. On top of that the upper/middle class has some shocking parental priorities! Based on the following of money/career...
Basically, I just can't generalise like that
I actually agree with Jeff to some extent.
The more money you have, the more likely you are to get in to get a better education then those who have less money, and this basically will make you "smarter".
BUT at the same time, that does not mean that people from the low-class society cant have a high IQ, just that they are less likely to.
It's interesting how we as Americans seemingly have a pretty unique concept of the word "liberal", or at least that when we use it we always mean it in the social sense (whereas economically it of course is the polar opposite of what most American "liberals" believe, total laissez-faire)
JeffTD
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I disagree with that. Maybe as you get up to 'pretty smart' sure but once you hit 'high' IQ, these people can struggle with society. Yet another reason metal has alot of the smartypantses. On top of that the upper/middle class has some shocking parental priorities! Based on the following of money/career...
Basically, I just can't generalise like that
If you put back the stuff you removed from my quote...
Obviously, there are exceptions to the rules, and you get totally inept engineers and stuff who are great with machines but suck with humans - fair enough. There's a point of diminishing returns with IQ, of course.
Metalheads being "smartypanses" is a completely different issue.
You say you "just can't generalise like that," but you go on to say that middle/upper class people have "some shocking parental priorities"?? I'm not going to say they always make the best parents, but there are shitty parents in all socioeconomic brackets.
I don't care what kind of exceptions to the rules you can find - wealthy people are, by and large, smarter and more intelligent than poor people. Without getting into any other obvious reason as to why this is true - just think about it. Anyone remotely intelligent is going to find a way to money. If they lack skills, they'll find a way around it. If they lack qualifications, they'll find a way to get them or to work without them. Stupid people will just lack those skills and qualifications and not make as much money.
It's worth noting with this study that correlation does NOT necessarily equal causation; just because people with higher IQ's are liberal, atheist, and monogamist does not mean that being liberal, atheist, and monogamist makes you smarter, or that being smarter makes you more liberal, atheist, or monogamist.
JeffTD
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If you read the article, they make an interesting distinction about that word... They make a point to define it not as politically liberal (as opposed to conservative), but liberal in a sense of helping complete strangers; liberal in a Scandinavian, socialist-welfare state way.
Under the political definition, I'd not be considered very liberal - under the articles, I'm pretty much there.
This has seriously been the bane of my existence this quarter - our definition of liberal has absolutely nothing to do with any traditional sense of liberalism, and minds have been blown/bricks have been shat while reading some of my political theory textbooks in response to this.
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Not entirely sure I agree with those findings myself, but whateveer, just another "study" released.
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Yeah I'm most definitely not liberal under either definition then.
@Dan: Studies usually tend to hold a bit more weight than opinions do
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Lol, fair call on that one, though I still don't agree with it for the wider community I've been subject to.
I don't buy into the IQ thing - there is no way that I'm farther separated from an 'average' person than that person is from someone who is legally considered to be mentally disabled. That said, it's not too surprising that the researchers identified some things that wouldn't have helped much in the past... and, of course, some things that are being held as intellectual badges of honor in more than a few places...
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