Line6 gained a ball sack?

[kaomao]

i really hope for a honda civic that drives like a porsche

You know I think in the future they will make an amp that sounds so "tube-ish".
I mean there are very few factory in this world still producing tubes.
It's like oil: it's going to an end ehhehe besides jokes they could keep on selling tubes, use em on amps, but I want something service-free.
Goddman they're close to that I think!

 

[kaomao]

I was thinking this: why don't they just emulate the physical tube, not all the circuitry? is it not much easier instead of all the signal?

 

[ApolloSpeed]

In studio lately, I'm using Amplitube 2 software.

I'm really liking amp simulation more and more...

hmmm...you got some clips using that software? You like it better than your POD stuff? Cause that shit was the best sounding solidstate tone I ever heard!!

 

[iekobrid]

I was thinking this: why don't they just emulate the physical tube, not all the circuitry? is it not much easier instead of all the signal?

Assuming by "they" you still mean Line 6 specifically and not the ethereal They ("They should tear that ugly sign down." "They should create a federal holiday for pets." "They should sell a breakfast cereal that acts as dental floss."), I imagine they (Line 6) don't do that because the end product would simulate one single amp model with a variety of virtual tube options. Which, by itself, is a fine idea. But it just isn't what they're apparently trying to accomplish. Line 6 wants a product that simulates the hardware of several different amp models (the circuitry) using one set of real physical tubes as an element common to them all.

A virtual tube / real hardware amplifier would be like a sausage pizza that lets you toggle between different types of sausage. Italian, spicy, beef, pork... but at the end of the day it's still just a sausage pizza. A real tube / virtual hardware amplifier would be like a pizza that only give you one kind of sausage, but lets you select different crusts and toppings to go with it.


That said, if the Ethereal 'They' were to develop a piece of hardware that models different tubes and you can just pop it into the real tube socket of any real tube amp and toggle between different settings, THAT would be VERY cool. Maybe that's what you meant in the first place? If so,

 

[kaomao]

it wasn't that hard to understand, I meant "create a piece of hardware you could put in the tube socket that reacts like a tube"
That's what I meant, real amp, real ciruitry, just the tubes emulated with this piece of hardware

 

[Where She Wept]

basically it will sound like a pod through a tube power amp...uke:

That would be cool, i got some good sounds with a PodXt into a 2:90, and when i saw Nevermore on the Dead Heart tour that's what Jeff Loomis was playing and it sounded good. it kind of pissed me off though, because i got more compliments in the few shows i played with the pod, than with the whole years i played Triaxis/2:90 setup.

If your curious to hear how it sounded check out my myspace
Listen to "new demo2". it's old demo i did a while ago when i first got into recording on a PC, and the bass is f'd up in the beginning too.

http://www.myspace.com/thecoldwhitelight

 

[iekobrid]

it wasn't that hard to understand

It was, but only since I totally missed seeing the post you made right before that about the world running out of tubes.

 

[kaomao]

It was, but only since I totally missed seeing the post you made right before that about the world running out of tubes.

oh by the way it seemed harsh, but it really wasn't, just to clarify!
I didn't put any smilies ahaha

 

[Kazrog]

Kazrog

As i remember-you promise us make a comparsion of real 5150, and your line 6 head,which-as you said-can sound very close to a real 5150...

Haven't gotten to it yet, but haven't forgotten. Generally though, I recommend using the Criminal model and turning off cabinet simulation entirely. Somehow this sounds amazing on the HD147 and not so good on the Pod XT.

 

[kaomao]

Haven't gotten to it yet, but haven't forgotten. Generally though, I recommend using the Criminal model and turning off cabinet simulation entirely. Somehow this sounds amazing on the HD147 and not so good on the Pod XT.

it sounds good on the hd147 if turned off, because you got a real cab, with real guitar amp speakers, connected to the amp.
I wonder connecting cab with P.A. speakers, and turning the cab sim on, how that amp will sound.
Anyway when I tried the dual rectifier on the hd147 it sounded so fucking good, can you confirm Shane?
Most of others amp were tiny and really fake sounding, mostly marshall's were not that good.

 

[Kazrog]

it sounds good on the hd147 if turned off, because you got a real cab, with real guitar amp speakers, connected to the amp.
I wonder connecting cab with P.A. speakers, and turning the cab sim on, how that amp will sound.
Anyway when I tried the dual rectifier on the hd147 it sounded so fucking good, can you confirm Shane?
Most of others amp were tiny and really fake sounding, mostly marshall's were not that good.

I find real Marshalls equally useless...

We've done some shows where for transportation/expense reasons I didn't bring a cab, and the HD147 sounded great using only the direct out. I never mic my cab live anyway, just use the direct out, but it sounds surprisingly good even by itself, confirmed by the monitors, and videos of shows, and good ears in the audience.

I'm basically through with tube amps in general. Not worth the effort, and they often sound worse than digital amps in most environments, ironically.

 

[kaomao]

uhm so you don't use a real cab live, and at the same time you don't use the cab sim on the hd147, am I wrong?
how can that sound good lol
Anyway got a clip with just the criminal without the cab sim?

 

[Sloan]

SHIT'S WEAK.

It still says "Line 6" and "Spider" on it. Fuck that.

 

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

It's official now, Line6 has the new amp on their website: http://line6.com/spidervalve

 

[Phase]

If you know your history(OK this post should stop here) haha

You know there has always been people who lack the insight into new technologies

Its the people who laugh in the face of this lack of vision that are the innovators of the world. Everyone here is using something that someone made fun of.

I would like to hear what it sounds like--because whats inside it is irrelevant

 

[Kazrog]

Looks like a cool amp. Kind of like a budget Triaxis with effects, a poweramp, and a speaker (if you get the combo.) Although - only two 12 AX7s put it in a similar class to Vox's programmable hybrid valve/digital amps. This isn't likely to sound good for high gain stuff.

I wonder how much it will cost, definitely curious to try it out.

 

[Exocaster]

Although - only two 12 AX7s put it in a similar class to Vox's programmable hybrid valve/digital amps. This isn't likely to sound good for high gain stuff.

I don't think it's a similar design to the Vox stuff at all. The Line 6 design is a modeling front end --> two tube gain stages (V1) --> phase inverter (V2) --> 2x 6L6/5881 (combo) or 4x 6L6/5881 (head). Very different than what Vox has.

And, for what it's worth, you can bypass the modeling through the effects loop to add the pre of your choice. Supposedly it works well with the new Pod X3, essentially giving you a Vetta Valve...

 

[Kazrog]

I don't think it's a similar design to the Vox stuff at all. The Line 6 design is a modeling front end --> two tube gain stages (V1) --> phase inverter (V2) --> 2x 6L6/5881 (combo) or 4x 6L6/5881 (head). Very different than what Vox has.

And, for what it's worth, you can bypass the modeling through the effects loop to add the pre of your choice. Supposedly it works well with the new Pod X3, essentially giving you a Vetta Valve...

It still has only two 12AX7s, regardless of the poweramp. A Dual Rectifier has 5 and a 5150/2 has 6. Only two preamp tubes = wimpy/fuzzy gain. Period.

Disabling the tube preamp and going to a digital preamp like a POD XT makes no sense - at that point why bother having tubes? Why not just get an HD147 and have a 300 watt head AND all the great amp sounds from POD XT?

If Line 6 was smart, they'd make the Triaxis killer. Imagine a Triaxis with Line 6 effects and onboard convolution response based speaker simulation. Upload your own impulses over USB! They could even make a head and combo version, in addition to a recording rack. That product would lay waste to every amp on the market.

 

[Exocaster]

It still has only two 12AX7s, regardless of the poweramp. A Dual Rectifier has 5 and a 5150/2 has 6. Only two preamp tubes = wimpy/fuzzy gain. Period.

Disabling the tube preamp and going to a digital preamp like a POD XT makes no sense - at that point why bother having tubes? Why not just get an HD147 and have a 300 watt head AND all the great amp sounds from POD XT?

Not all those tubes in a Dual Rec or 5150 are gain stages for the Red or Lead channels, though. If that were the case, the Recto would have 10 gain stages and the 5150 12. Some of those are for Green/Orange on the Recs and Rhythm on the 5150. Plus the driver tube for the effects loop and the phase inverter. If I recall correctly, the Recto Red channel is 5 gain stages, the 5150 Lead is 6.

Two 12AX7s, on their own, doesn't mean wimpy or fuzzy gain. If it were solely a preamp, that's four gain stages, and you can coax a considerable amount of gain out of that. But that's not entirely releveant, as only one of those tubes is in the preamp for the Spider Valve, the phase inverter really being part of the power section. With only one preamp tube- two gain stages- it's essentially a clean tube amp. You can get some grit out of it, but not much. The majority of the gain you're gonna get out of that head, even if you crank it- the PI and power section can only drive so much- is gonna be from the modeling preamp.

This is entirely speculation on my part, but- seeing as the tube section of the Spider Valve is basically a clean amp, it wouldn't surprise me if the effects return bypasses only the modeling preamp, not the tube bits.

 

[Splat88]

It still has only two 12AX7s, regardless of the poweramp. A Dual Rectifier has 5 and a 5150/2 has 6. Only two preamp tubes = wimpy/fuzzy gain. Period.

My ADA mp1 3.666 sounds great, has a ton of gain and has only 2 12ax7 preamp tubes. Hell it had a ton of gain before the mod was done as well. I don't think this is an issue.