Note: LoM and I were simply roleplaying as homosexal jesus freaks, we are not actually christians, nor are we homosexuals.
Session Start: Wed Dec 31 15:52:54 2003
Session Ident: #catholic
* Now talking in #catholic
* Topic is 'St. Sylvester I, pope: The good shepherd gives his life for his sheep - Christmas, Day 6'
* Set by _3Josephs!dcheney@adsl-65-69-69-27.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net on Tue Dec 30 22:03:04
<Phasom> hey, I have a question
<Epiphany> hello NdX
<Phasom> I'm worried about this
<Epiphany> here it comes...
<NdX> greetings
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<Phasom> I mean...
<Phasom> well, my parents wouldn't understand if I told them
* Epiphany dons her smut shield
<Phasom> they are too strict
<Phasom> no....it's nothing horrible
<Epiphany> ok
<Phasom> but......I believe I'm fascinated with the male body.....
<Phasom> and I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on homosexuals
<_Wraith_> Our opinion?
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<Epiphany> I know and love many a homosexual
<Phasom> because everyone I know damns them.......and........hell, it scares me
<_Wraith_> Well, homosexual acts are sinful
<Epiphany> love the sinner hate the sin
<Phasom> but I mean...
<Phasom> I can't help the way I feel
<Phasom> I didn't ask to feel this way
<Phasom> so why should I be damned for it
<_Wraith_> If you act on it, you are damning yourself
<_3Josephs> an alcohol doesn't want to need a drink
<Phasom> I just don't understand it
<Epiphany> why should someone be damned for anything Phasom?
<_Wraith_> So, you have no-one to blame but yourself
<Phasom> but it's just a feeling
<Epiphany> exactly 3J
<Phasom> what's so wrong about it
* _Wraith_ sets mode: +v NdX
* _Wraith_ sets mode: +v Frinya
<Epiphany> it's not in accordance with natural law, simply put
<NdX> thank you
<_Wraith_> It is sinful. What part of that don't you understand?
<Phasom> but still......if it was so horrible......then why am I allowed to feel this way
<Phasom> I'm a good person
<Phasom> it's not fair for me to be damned for all eternity for just a feeling that causes no one else any harm at all
<NdX> there is a reason for it, its all part of god's plan
<_Wraith_> Well, I am a good person, and would like a new car. Taking one would be a sin, so I don't do it.
<Phasom> ....how is this like stealing a car?
<Epiphany> I don't think Phasom understands why it's a sin
<Phasom> exactly
<Epiphany> after all it's people loving people right?
<Phasom> exactly
<Epiphany> Phasom, like I said, simply put homosexuality goes against natural law
<Phasom> we are all human...it's just an emotion
<Epiphany> I sympathize however, truly I do
<Phasom> personally, I don't think it's right at all
<Epiphany> anger is an emotion, and that can move people to kill....so...it's just an emotion right?
<Epiphany> some emotions need to be disciplined
<Phasom> and if it is natural law, then natural law is just as ignorant and tyrannical as any dictatorship
<Epiphany> and maybe God is calling you to bear a cross that He knows You can bear.
<Epiphany> LOL
<Phasom> but this is not killing anyone
<_Wraith_> If you know something is a sin, and you do it anyway, you are damning yourself. You now know it is a sin, as we have told you several times.
<Epiphany> well natural law is what it is, can't do much about it really
<Phasom> how is it a sin?
<Phasom> why should it be a sin?
<Phasom> I'm not commiting murder
<Phasom> why should I be placed in the same category as a serial rapist or murder?
<Phasom> *murderer
<_Wraith_> Phasom, you will not get us to legitimize your sin for you. Period.
<Epiphany> only is as much as a blaphemer or a gossip. sin is sin.
<Phasom> it's not fair though
<Phasom> there's no way it can possibly be fair
<Epiphany> the obviously natural purpose for sex is procreation. two men or two women cannot do that.
<Phasom> but human love is completely different than ignorant carnal lust
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<Epiphany> perhaps it's not fair. a lot of things in life aren't
<Phasom> and that's all it is...human love and compassion
<Frinya> yeah, but people have straight sex all the time without having kids, but you don't call that a sin
<Phasom> we're talking about eternity here
<Phasom> not just life
<Phasom> to be damned for all eternity for putting your cock in an ass is ridiculous
<Epiphany> Frinya, if birth control is used it is, but that's a discussion for another day
<Epiphany> so why risk it Phasom?
<Epiphany> is that asshole worth your soul?
<Epiphany> sorry
* Epiphany slaps Epiphany around a bit with a large trout
<Phasom> because it's how I feel
<Phasom> why deny that feeling?
<Epiphany> well I feel like killing my kids sometimes but I don't do it
<Phasom> because some greater than thou being tells me it is a crime?
<Epiphany> why deny any feeling? gee, I think chaos will reign
<Phasom> this is nothing like murderer
<Phasom> crap
<Phasom> murder
<Phasom> *
<Phasom> that comparison doesn't make sense at all
<Phasom> you just can't compare sodomy with murder
<Epiphany> well anyway phasom, you asked and you got your answer. you aren't going to convince us that homosexual sex is not a sin. Love all you want, just don't do it up someone hiney ok?
<Phasom> screw that
<Epiphany> and you can compare the two. as much as one can compare God's name in vain with murder. turning away from God's will is sin and that is that.
<Phasom> I'm going to make sweet anal love to my buddy bob right now
<NdX> Epiphany... I have a question, what if you were the person getting sodomized, is that a sin? Just curiousity?
-Epiphany- Epiphany is away (auto-away after 60 minutes idle) (one-time response to the word Epiphany)
<Epiphany> [18:02] (+Phasom): screw that <--- no pun intended?
<Phasom> and go have man babies
<Phasom> GOOD DAY!
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<Epiphany> bye
<Epiphany> NdX, if it's willing and doesn't result in the possiblity of procreation, then yes
* _Wraith_ is now known as `Nana`
<Epiphany> between married couples tehre are specifics involved. between nonmarried couples it is pretty clear cut
<Epiphany> hi Nana!
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<NdX> so forced sodomy is ok?
<NdX> errr...
<Epiphany> of course not
<NdX> it is not a sin if you were wrongfully sodomized against your will is what I meant to say
<Epiphany> no of course not
<Epiphany> a victim of rape has not committed sin
<NdX> okay
<NdX> well, good day to you but I must be off
<NdX> farewell
<Epiphany> bye
<Epiphany> God bless
<NdX> same to you my brother
Session Close: Wed Dec 31 16:08:30 2003
Session Start: Wed Dec 31 15:52:54 2003
Session Ident: #catholic
* Now talking in #catholic
* Topic is 'St. Sylvester I, pope: The good shepherd gives his life for his sheep - Christmas, Day 6'
* Set by _3Josephs!dcheney@adsl-65-69-69-27.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net on Tue Dec 30 22:03:04
<Phasom> hey, I have a question
<Epiphany> hello NdX
<Phasom> I'm worried about this
<Epiphany> here it comes...
<NdX> greetings
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<Phasom> I mean...
<Phasom> well, my parents wouldn't understand if I told them
* Epiphany dons her smut shield
<Phasom> they are too strict
<Phasom> no....it's nothing horrible
<Epiphany> ok
<Phasom> but......I believe I'm fascinated with the male body.....
<Phasom> and I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on homosexuals
<_Wraith_> Our opinion?
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<Epiphany> I know and love many a homosexual
<Phasom> because everyone I know damns them.......and........hell, it scares me
<_Wraith_> Well, homosexual acts are sinful
<Epiphany> love the sinner hate the sin
<Phasom> but I mean...
<Phasom> I can't help the way I feel
<Phasom> I didn't ask to feel this way
<Phasom> so why should I be damned for it
<_Wraith_> If you act on it, you are damning yourself
<_3Josephs> an alcohol doesn't want to need a drink
<Phasom> I just don't understand it
<Epiphany> why should someone be damned for anything Phasom?
<_Wraith_> So, you have no-one to blame but yourself
<Phasom> but it's just a feeling
<Epiphany> exactly 3J
<Phasom> what's so wrong about it
* _Wraith_ sets mode: +v NdX
* _Wraith_ sets mode: +v Frinya
<Epiphany> it's not in accordance with natural law, simply put
<NdX> thank you
<_Wraith_> It is sinful. What part of that don't you understand?
<Phasom> but still......if it was so horrible......then why am I allowed to feel this way
<Phasom> I'm a good person
<Phasom> it's not fair for me to be damned for all eternity for just a feeling that causes no one else any harm at all
<NdX> there is a reason for it, its all part of god's plan
<_Wraith_> Well, I am a good person, and would like a new car. Taking one would be a sin, so I don't do it.
<Phasom> ....how is this like stealing a car?
<Epiphany> I don't think Phasom understands why it's a sin
<Phasom> exactly
<Epiphany> after all it's people loving people right?
<Phasom> exactly
<Epiphany> Phasom, like I said, simply put homosexuality goes against natural law
<Phasom> we are all human...it's just an emotion
<Epiphany> I sympathize however, truly I do
<Phasom> personally, I don't think it's right at all
<Epiphany> anger is an emotion, and that can move people to kill....so...it's just an emotion right?
<Epiphany> some emotions need to be disciplined
<Phasom> and if it is natural law, then natural law is just as ignorant and tyrannical as any dictatorship
<Epiphany> and maybe God is calling you to bear a cross that He knows You can bear.
<Epiphany> LOL
<Phasom> but this is not killing anyone
<_Wraith_> If you know something is a sin, and you do it anyway, you are damning yourself. You now know it is a sin, as we have told you several times.
<Epiphany> well natural law is what it is, can't do much about it really
<Phasom> how is it a sin?
<Phasom> why should it be a sin?
<Phasom> I'm not commiting murder
<Phasom> why should I be placed in the same category as a serial rapist or murder?
<Phasom> *murderer
<_Wraith_> Phasom, you will not get us to legitimize your sin for you. Period.
<Epiphany> only is as much as a blaphemer or a gossip. sin is sin.
<Phasom> it's not fair though
<Phasom> there's no way it can possibly be fair
<Epiphany> the obviously natural purpose for sex is procreation. two men or two women cannot do that.
<Phasom> but human love is completely different than ignorant carnal lust
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<Epiphany> perhaps it's not fair. a lot of things in life aren't
<Phasom> and that's all it is...human love and compassion
<Frinya> yeah, but people have straight sex all the time without having kids, but you don't call that a sin
<Phasom> we're talking about eternity here
<Phasom> not just life
<Phasom> to be damned for all eternity for putting your cock in an ass is ridiculous
<Epiphany> Frinya, if birth control is used it is, but that's a discussion for another day
<Epiphany> so why risk it Phasom?
<Epiphany> is that asshole worth your soul?
<Epiphany> sorry
* Epiphany slaps Epiphany around a bit with a large trout
<Phasom> because it's how I feel
<Phasom> why deny that feeling?
<Epiphany> well I feel like killing my kids sometimes but I don't do it
<Phasom> because some greater than thou being tells me it is a crime?
<Epiphany> why deny any feeling? gee, I think chaos will reign
<Phasom> this is nothing like murderer
<Phasom> crap
<Phasom> murder
<Phasom> *
<Phasom> that comparison doesn't make sense at all
<Phasom> you just can't compare sodomy with murder
<Epiphany> well anyway phasom, you asked and you got your answer. you aren't going to convince us that homosexual sex is not a sin. Love all you want, just don't do it up someone hiney ok?
<Phasom> screw that
<Epiphany> and you can compare the two. as much as one can compare God's name in vain with murder. turning away from God's will is sin and that is that.
<Phasom> I'm going to make sweet anal love to my buddy bob right now
<NdX> Epiphany... I have a question, what if you were the person getting sodomized, is that a sin? Just curiousity?
-Epiphany- Epiphany is away (auto-away after 60 minutes idle) (one-time response to the word Epiphany)
<Epiphany> [18:02] (+Phasom): screw that <--- no pun intended?
<Phasom> and go have man babies
<Phasom> GOOD DAY!
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<Epiphany> bye
<Epiphany> NdX, if it's willing and doesn't result in the possiblity of procreation, then yes
* _Wraith_ is now known as `Nana`
<Epiphany> between married couples tehre are specifics involved. between nonmarried couples it is pretty clear cut
<Epiphany> hi Nana!
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<NdX> so forced sodomy is ok?
<NdX> errr...
<Epiphany> of course not
<NdX> it is not a sin if you were wrongfully sodomized against your will is what I meant to say
<Epiphany> no of course not
<Epiphany> a victim of rape has not committed sin
<NdX> okay
<NdX> well, good day to you but I must be off
<NdX> farewell
<Epiphany> bye
<Epiphany> God bless
<NdX> same to you my brother
Session Close: Wed Dec 31 16:08:30 2003
Between that and my silly tract, it's fun with the religious nutters day. Hmm...no that's every day. It's the last day of the year, it's extra super fun. You nutjobs.
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