Note: LoM and I were simply roleplaying as homosexal jesus freaks, we are not actually christians, nor are we homosexuals.
Session Start: Wed Dec 31 15:52:54 2003
Session Ident: #catholic
* Now talking in #catholic
* Topic is 'St. Sylvester I, pope: The good shepherd gives his life for his sheep - Christmas, Day 6'
* Set by _3Josephs!dcheney@adsl-65-69-69-27.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net on Tue Dec 30 22:03:04
<Phasom> hey, I have a question
<Epiphany> hello NdX
<Phasom> I'm worried about this
<Epiphany> here it comes...
<NdX> greetings
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<Phasom> I mean...
<Phasom> well, my parents wouldn't understand if I told them
* Epiphany dons her smut shield
<Phasom> they are too strict
<Phasom> no....it's nothing horrible
<Epiphany> ok
<Phasom> but......I believe I'm fascinated with the male body.....
<Phasom> and I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on homosexuals
<_Wraith_> Our opinion?
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<Epiphany> I know and love many a homosexual
<Phasom> because everyone I know damns them.......and........hell, it scares me
<_Wraith_> Well, homosexual acts are sinful
<Epiphany> love the sinner hate the sin
<Phasom> but I mean...
<Phasom> I can't help the way I feel
<Phasom> I didn't ask to feel this way
<Phasom> so why should I be damned for it
<_Wraith_> If you act on it, you are damning yourself
<_3Josephs> an alcohol doesn't want to need a drink
<Phasom> I just don't understand it
<Epiphany> why should someone be damned for anything Phasom?
<_Wraith_> So, you have no-one to blame but yourself
<Phasom> but it's just a feeling
<Epiphany> exactly 3J
<Phasom> what's so wrong about it
* _Wraith_ sets mode: +v NdX
* _Wraith_ sets mode: +v Frinya
<Epiphany> it's not in accordance with natural law, simply put
<NdX> thank you
<_Wraith_> It is sinful. What part of that don't you understand?
<Phasom> but still......if it was so horrible......then why am I allowed to feel this way
<Phasom> I'm a good person
<Phasom> it's not fair for me to be damned for all eternity for just a feeling that causes no one else any harm at all
<NdX> there is a reason for it, its all part of god's plan
<_Wraith_> Well, I am a good person, and would like a new car. Taking one would be a sin, so I don't do it.
<Phasom> ....how is this like stealing a car?
<Epiphany> I don't think Phasom understands why it's a sin
<Phasom> exactly
<Epiphany> after all it's people loving people right?
<Phasom> exactly
<Epiphany> Phasom, like I said, simply put homosexuality goes against natural law
<Phasom> we are all human...it's just an emotion
<Epiphany> I sympathize however, truly I do
<Phasom> personally, I don't think it's right at all
<Epiphany> anger is an emotion, and that can move people to kill....so...it's just an emotion right?
<Epiphany> some emotions need to be disciplined
<Phasom> and if it is natural law, then natural law is just as ignorant and tyrannical as any dictatorship
<Epiphany> and maybe God is calling you to bear a cross that He knows You can bear.
<Epiphany> LOL
<Phasom> but this is not killing anyone
<_Wraith_> If you know something is a sin, and you do it anyway, you are damning yourself. You now know it is a sin, as we have told you several times.
<Epiphany> well natural law is what it is, can't do much about it really
<Phasom> how is it a sin?
<Phasom> why should it be a sin?
<Phasom> I'm not commiting murder
<Phasom> why should I be placed in the same category as a serial rapist or murder?
<Phasom> *murderer
<_Wraith_> Phasom, you will not get us to legitimize your sin for you. Period.
<Epiphany> only is as much as a blaphemer or a gossip. sin is sin.
<Phasom> it's not fair though
<Phasom> there's no way it can possibly be fair
<Epiphany> the obviously natural purpose for sex is procreation. two men or two women cannot do that.
<Phasom> but human love is completely different than ignorant carnal lust
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<Epiphany> perhaps it's not fair. a lot of things in life aren't
<Phasom> and that's all it is...human love and compassion
<Frinya> yeah, but people have straight sex all the time without having kids, but you don't call that a sin
<Phasom> we're talking about eternity here
<Phasom> not just life
<Phasom> to be damned for all eternity for putting your cock in an ass is ridiculous
<Epiphany> Frinya, if birth control is used it is, but that's a discussion for another day
<Epiphany> so why risk it Phasom?
<Epiphany> is that asshole worth your soul?
<Epiphany> sorry
* Epiphany slaps Epiphany around a bit with a large trout
<Phasom> because it's how I feel
<Phasom> why deny that feeling?
<Epiphany> well I feel like killing my kids sometimes but I don't do it
<Phasom> because some greater than thou being tells me it is a crime?
<Epiphany> why deny any feeling? gee, I think chaos will reign
<Phasom> this is nothing like murderer
<Phasom> crap
<Phasom> murder
<Phasom> *
<Phasom> that comparison doesn't make sense at all
<Phasom> you just can't compare sodomy with murder
<Epiphany> well anyway phasom, you asked and you got your answer. you aren't going to convince us that homosexual sex is not a sin. Love all you want, just don't do it up someone hiney ok?
<Phasom> screw that
<Epiphany> and you can compare the two. as much as one can compare God's name in vain with murder. turning away from God's will is sin and that is that.
<Phasom> I'm going to make sweet anal love to my buddy bob right now
<NdX> Epiphany... I have a question, what if you were the person getting sodomized, is that a sin? Just curiousity?
-Epiphany- Epiphany is away (auto-away after 60 minutes idle) (one-time response to the word Epiphany)
<Epiphany> [18:02] (+Phasom): screw that <--- no pun intended?
<Phasom> and go have man babies
<Phasom> GOOD DAY!
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<Epiphany> bye
<Epiphany> NdX, if it's willing and doesn't result in the possiblity of procreation, then yes
* _Wraith_ is now known as `Nana`
<Epiphany> between married couples tehre are specifics involved. between nonmarried couples it is pretty clear cut
<Epiphany> hi Nana!
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<NdX> so forced sodomy is ok?
<NdX> errr...
<Epiphany> of course not
<NdX> it is not a sin if you were wrongfully sodomized against your will is what I meant to say
<Epiphany> no of course not
<Epiphany> a victim of rape has not committed sin
<NdX> okay
<NdX> well, good day to you but I must be off
<NdX> farewell
<Epiphany> bye
<Epiphany> God bless
<NdX> same to you my brother
Session Close: Wed Dec 31 16:08:30 2003
Session Start: Wed Dec 31 15:52:54 2003
Session Ident: #catholic
* Now talking in #catholic
* Topic is 'St. Sylvester I, pope: The good shepherd gives his life for his sheep - Christmas, Day 6'
* Set by _3Josephs!dcheney@adsl-65-69-69-27.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net on Tue Dec 30 22:03:04
<Phasom> hey, I have a question
<Epiphany> hello NdX
<Phasom> I'm worried about this
<Epiphany> here it comes...
<NdX> greetings
#catholic Cannot send to channel
<Phasom> I mean...
<Phasom> well, my parents wouldn't understand if I told them
* Epiphany dons her smut shield
<Phasom> they are too strict
<Phasom> no....it's nothing horrible
<Epiphany> ok
<Phasom> but......I believe I'm fascinated with the male body.....
<Phasom> and I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on homosexuals
<_Wraith_> Our opinion?
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<Epiphany> I know and love many a homosexual
<Phasom> because everyone I know damns them.......and........hell, it scares me
<_Wraith_> Well, homosexual acts are sinful
<Epiphany> love the sinner hate the sin
<Phasom> but I mean...
<Phasom> I can't help the way I feel
<Phasom> I didn't ask to feel this way
<Phasom> so why should I be damned for it
<_Wraith_> If you act on it, you are damning yourself
<_3Josephs> an alcohol doesn't want to need a drink
<Phasom> I just don't understand it
<Epiphany> why should someone be damned for anything Phasom?
<_Wraith_> So, you have no-one to blame but yourself
<Phasom> but it's just a feeling
<Epiphany> exactly 3J
<Phasom> what's so wrong about it
* _Wraith_ sets mode: +v NdX
* _Wraith_ sets mode: +v Frinya
<Epiphany> it's not in accordance with natural law, simply put
<NdX> thank you
<_Wraith_> It is sinful. What part of that don't you understand?
<Phasom> but still......if it was so horrible......then why am I allowed to feel this way
<Phasom> I'm a good person
<Phasom> it's not fair for me to be damned for all eternity for just a feeling that causes no one else any harm at all
<NdX> there is a reason for it, its all part of god's plan
<_Wraith_> Well, I am a good person, and would like a new car. Taking one would be a sin, so I don't do it.
<Phasom> ....how is this like stealing a car?
<Epiphany> I don't think Phasom understands why it's a sin
<Phasom> exactly
<Epiphany> after all it's people loving people right?
<Phasom> exactly
<Epiphany> Phasom, like I said, simply put homosexuality goes against natural law
<Phasom> we are all human...it's just an emotion
<Epiphany> I sympathize however, truly I do
<Phasom> personally, I don't think it's right at all
<Epiphany> anger is an emotion, and that can move people to kill....so...it's just an emotion right?
<Epiphany> some emotions need to be disciplined
<Phasom> and if it is natural law, then natural law is just as ignorant and tyrannical as any dictatorship
<Epiphany> and maybe God is calling you to bear a cross that He knows You can bear.
<Epiphany> LOL
<Phasom> but this is not killing anyone
<_Wraith_> If you know something is a sin, and you do it anyway, you are damning yourself. You now know it is a sin, as we have told you several times.
<Epiphany> well natural law is what it is, can't do much about it really
<Phasom> how is it a sin?
<Phasom> why should it be a sin?
<Phasom> I'm not commiting murder
<Phasom> why should I be placed in the same category as a serial rapist or murder?
<Phasom> *murderer
<_Wraith_> Phasom, you will not get us to legitimize your sin for you. Period.
<Epiphany> only is as much as a blaphemer or a gossip. sin is sin.
<Phasom> it's not fair though
<Phasom> there's no way it can possibly be fair
<Epiphany> the obviously natural purpose for sex is procreation. two men or two women cannot do that.
<Phasom> but human love is completely different than ignorant carnal lust
* ^maw has quit IRC
<Epiphany> perhaps it's not fair. a lot of things in life aren't
<Phasom> and that's all it is...human love and compassion
<Frinya> yeah, but people have straight sex all the time without having kids, but you don't call that a sin
<Phasom> we're talking about eternity here
<Phasom> not just life
<Phasom> to be damned for all eternity for putting your cock in an ass is ridiculous
<Epiphany> Frinya, if birth control is used it is, but that's a discussion for another day
<Epiphany> so why risk it Phasom?
<Epiphany> is that asshole worth your soul?
<Epiphany> sorry
* Epiphany slaps Epiphany around a bit with a large trout
<Phasom> because it's how I feel
<Phasom> why deny that feeling?
<Epiphany> well I feel like killing my kids sometimes but I don't do it
<Phasom> because some greater than thou being tells me it is a crime?
<Epiphany> why deny any feeling? gee, I think chaos will reign
<Phasom> this is nothing like murderer
<Phasom> crap
<Phasom> murder
<Phasom> *
<Phasom> that comparison doesn't make sense at all
<Phasom> you just can't compare sodomy with murder
<Epiphany> well anyway phasom, you asked and you got your answer. you aren't going to convince us that homosexual sex is not a sin. Love all you want, just don't do it up someone hiney ok?
<Phasom> screw that
<Epiphany> and you can compare the two. as much as one can compare God's name in vain with murder. turning away from God's will is sin and that is that.
<Phasom> I'm going to make sweet anal love to my buddy bob right now
<NdX> Epiphany... I have a question, what if you were the person getting sodomized, is that a sin? Just curiousity?
-Epiphany- Epiphany is away (auto-away after 60 minutes idle) (one-time response to the word Epiphany)
<Epiphany> [18:02] (+Phasom): screw that <--- no pun intended?
<Phasom> and go have man babies
<Phasom> GOOD DAY!
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<Epiphany> bye
<Epiphany> NdX, if it's willing and doesn't result in the possiblity of procreation, then yes
* _Wraith_ is now known as `Nana`
<Epiphany> between married couples tehre are specifics involved. between nonmarried couples it is pretty clear cut
<Epiphany> hi Nana!
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<NdX> so forced sodomy is ok?
<NdX> errr...
<Epiphany> of course not
<NdX> it is not a sin if you were wrongfully sodomized against your will is what I meant to say
<Epiphany> no of course not
<Epiphany> a victim of rape has not committed sin
<NdX> okay
<NdX> well, good day to you but I must be off
<NdX> farewell
<Epiphany> bye
<Epiphany> God bless
<NdX> same to you my brother
Session Close: Wed Dec 31 16:08:30 2003
