lords of summer

[crillemannen]

You guys heard the DIO cover-medley they did? Reminded me allot of the Mercyful fate medley from garage inc (which was so awesome) Just means that they can sound good on record, with the right producer and mixer.


Summer song, not so great. Quite boring and blend.

 

[Thumas]

Heard the dio cover and like it!
Here is a link http://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...tless-dio-tribute-hear-it-here-first-20140324

 

[bryan_kilco]

Haven't really liked anything they've put out in a long time. Seems they just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves, even though they have all kinds of $ and fame as it is.

I guess it's probably hard to grasp the fact that you're washed-up and should call it quits when it's the one thing you love to do and you've been doing it for like 30 years......

 

[The StabbinCabin]

Surprised I didn't have to pay to listen to this horseshit...

 

[HeadCrusher]

Heard the dio cover and like it!
Here is a link http://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...tless-dio-tribute-hear-it-here-first-20140324

I can listen to that. If they have to come out with something new let it be another Garage Days type-of record.

 

[Line666]

I think most artists or musicians career peak occurs between in the mid to late twenties - this holds true with Metallica and a lot of other great artists - the most revered usually being the ones who managed to die before age blunted their creative talents. I think the main reason for this is that this is usually the age you've mastered your instrument but still have enough youthful exuberance to truly capture the spirit of what you originally set out to do - some artists can see a mild creative renaissance after this period in their lives but it's few or far between - at this stage I think its fair to say Metallica are extremely unlikely to release another classic, great or even good piece of work again - even with a good producer/engineer.

 

[B36arin]

I think most artists or musicians career peak occurs between in the mid to late twenties - this holds true with Metallica and a lot of other great artists - the most revered usually being the ones who managed to die before age blunted their creative talents. I think the main reason for this is that this is usually the age you've mastered your instrument but still have enough youthful exuberance to truly capture the spirit of what you originally set out to do - some artists can see a mild creative renaissance after this period in their lives but it's few or far between - at this stage I think its fair to say Metallica are extremely unlikely to release another classic, great or even good piece of work again - even with a good producer/engineer.

I'm not sure if I agree with this. 20 years ago bands broke through earlier and probably started caring less after a couple of years. Metallica is an excellent example. But nowadays many bands only really "break through" after 10-15 years of hard work where they continually get better and better. Most of the really good bands which are released nowadays are older than they used to be, at least in my opinion...

 

[Line666]

I'm not sure if I agree with this. 20 years ago bands broke through earlier and probably started caring less after a couple of years. Metallica is an excellent example. But nowadays many bands only really "break through" after 10-15 years of hard work where they continually get better and better. Most of the really good bands which are released nowadays are older than they used to be, at least in my opinion...

I'm kinda curious to hear some examples - not to be rude but I've found that consistently a band will usually break through between the ages of 23-28 and experience a creative peak around 27-30 that will perhaps roll as far as 32 (which still ties in with your 10-15 years assuming hard work from ages 16-30) - after that there's usually a slippery slope of diminishing returns. It's difficult to break through in your 30's because most people will hit the 'sad old guys playing dive bars' point and never recover.

To clarify as well I'm not saying that you can't release a good album beyond your 30's - I'm just saying the highest creative point occurs earlier.

 

[Nebulous]

The song does nothing for me and the name even less...

 

[bryan_kilco]

I'm kinda curious to hear some examples - not to be rude but I've found that consistently a band will usually break through between the ages of 23-28 and experience a creative peak around 27-30 that will perhaps roll as far as 32 (which still ties in with your 10-15 years assuming hard work from ages 16-30) - after that there's usually a slippery slope of diminishing returns. It's difficult to break through in your 30's because most people will hit the 'sad old guys playing dive bars' point and never recover.

To clarify as well I'm not saying that you can't release a good album beyond your 30's - I'm just saying the highest creative point occurs earlier.

I can certainly say that I was more influenced and creative in my writing through the years of maybe 20-25. Now I'm 31 and have partially reached the "old guy playing a dive bar" phase, but it still doesn't stop us. I just wish I would have made some smarter moves when I was younger.

Isn't it a bitch how you never fully realize the best years of your life until after they're over?

 

[Nuno Filipe]

I think most artists or musicians career peak occurs between in the mid to late twenties - this holds true with Metallica and a lot of other great artists - the most revered usually being the ones who managed to die before age blunted their creative talents. I think the main reason for this is that this is usually the age you've mastered your instrument but still have enough youthful exuberance to truly capture the spirit of what you originally set out to do - some artists can see a mild creative renaissance after this period in their lives but it's few or far between - at this stage I think its fair to say Metallica are extremely unlikely to release another classic, great or even good piece of work again - even with a good producer/engineer.

I agree and I say even more. There is some kind of pattern about the great bands. Usually their peak is around 3/4th album, when comes the classic album. There is a lot of examples. Ok, the best/classic album could be subjective but let me throw some examples. Master of Puppets it´s the 3rd album. Number of the beast, Iron maiden it´s 4th album. Opeth, Still life 4th album. Megadeth, Rust in Peace 4th album.

Also after their peak, many bands can throw more one or two good albuns before going down to shit. Of course this does not applies to all bands, there are some good exceptions. For example, Judas priest their best album is after almost 2 decades.

 

[SocialNumb]

Just got around to listening to this. Wow, how the mighty have fallen. It's soooo boring I couldn't take it. Man, I thought the lowest had already passed. I was wrong.

 

[Line666]

I can certainly say that I was more influenced and creative in my writing through the years of maybe 20-25. Now I'm 31 and have partially reached the "old guy playing a dive bar" phase, but it still doesn't stop us. I just wish I would have made some smarter moves when I was younger.

Isn't it a bitch how you never fully realize the best years of your life until after they're over?

Haha, it's a bit bleak if you look at it that way I suppose.

On the plus side though I don't think there's really a golden period if you are a producer or engineer - everything just kinda accumulates to the legacy - it certainly has more longevity as a career path if you are good at it. Maybe thats because producers and engineers never get the chance to be cool in the first place to lose out on it

 

[AD Chaos]

I think most artists or musicians career peak occurs between in the mid to late twenties - this holds true with Metallica and a lot of other great artists - the most revered usually being the ones who managed to die before age blunted their creative talents. I think the main reason for this is that this is usually the age you've mastered your instrument but still have enough youthful exuberance to truly capture the spirit of what you originally set out to do - some artists can see a mild creative renaissance after this period in their lives but it's few or far between - at this stage I think its fair to say Metallica are extremely unlikely to release another classic, great or even good piece of work again - even with a good producer/engineer.

I think it's a different reason.

Youth offers more freedom generally speaking (to play/practice, rehearse, write etc); as people age, more and more responsibilities come along. It affects everyone, from the pre-internet big bands to the amateur hobbyist.

As for why bands crap out I think the reason is not age, but money: somewhere along the line the folks in a band decide it's a good idea to listen to one of the 'music execs' who must constantly be telling them how they can more money with less effort (aka growing your audience).

Somewhere I read some science note recently where they proposed the best creative age for a person is their 40s. Most famous classical musicians reached compositional maturity well into their years.


So, there's always hope!

 

[LeSedna]

Are they trying to compensate for something by recording garage type shitty albums every other release ? Or is this just a demo version ?

It's well recorded, it's all right but its just so not "metallica". What about this looooooong intro with a riff that has nothing interesting and eats up already a mn or so of my too-short life. For once the solo was "okay" and not "shitty" with is an improvement in itself. EDIT oh wait now comes the wahwah pentatonic fest.



EDIT : and I stopped it, I couldn't survive the last 2mns, it's like listening to the local rock:metal band that plays well and okay but invented nothing.

 

[smy1]

Somewhere I read some science note recently where they proposed the best creative age for a person is their 40s. Most famous classical musicians reached compositional maturity well into their years.


So, there's always hope!

This is very true, actually. Especially if you become more and more proficient at your craft.

The difference is that in popular music most bands don't get better and their touring schedule wears them out early on. After 10-15 years of that, I can see how staying at home with wife/kids/dog is more appealing than going on the road.

And with albums selling as badly as they do these days, I'd be surprised if Metallica's income from CD releases is a significant part of their financial pie.

 

[Terminus]

Hmm well the Black Album is consistently selling upwards of 2,000 copies a week STILL, so maybe they actually do make a few duckets off record sales these days.

 

[HeadCrusher]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they could live *very* well just off their record sales. Lars and James anyway. Kirk maybe. Rob? eh..

 

[AD Chaos]

EDIT oh wait now comes the wahwah pentatonic fest.

Seems like the appropriate place to ask; why is it exactly people criticize Kirk's use of the pentatonic so much? Is it a popular internet thing? Other than that I don't get it.

The studio solos (especially in Master) are genius IMO (more so if you're restricting yourself with just the minor pentatonic for metal on par with the power chords, instead of using the whole 7 note scales of the Aeolian mode).. Not failing in making it sound like a BB King photo-bomb (like other metal bands do) has always seemed to me like quite the feat.

 

[smy1]

Terminus / HeadCrusher: I'm not talking about back catalog, I'm talking about new material and the motivation behind making it ...

Also: with stadium show/merch-income easily being above a million dollars per show, nobody can tell me that they make a comparable sum off of record sales.