Lyrics for Gettysburg

[spawn]

So unless this album is full of gay power-metal influences, like The Reckoning chorus sounds like

I just listened to Valley Forge again to see if it was as crap as I first thought. It is. Awful lyrics. Hollow Man sucks. The Reckoning has a fairy Helloween chorus. Red Baron is ok, but id be embarrassed to play it when anyone could actually hear.

Heres the opening lyrics to Valley Forge for your perusal

Close your eyes and imagine the soldier at Valley Forge
The suffering that he endured was real, starvation, total war
Yet in his eyes, the iron will to win
And for the cause he wont relent

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Those lyrics are aweful.

I don't mind The Reckoning though, it sounds like power metal with balls, which I like. I don't like it as much as real IE, but I like it. Hollow Man is too generic though.

I think if some of the more epic tracks are heavy and thrashy all will be well.

 

[spawn]

Yeah if the trilogy rocks then all will be good.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

The Reckoning chorus isn't Helloweenish, if it was it'd probably be better! Helloweenish choruses are happy... this chorus sounds more like Blind Guardian meets Horror Show I reckon. Its a gay cheesy tryhard attempt at something "scary" and dark and operatic and doesn't work.

 

[Sydo]

Its a gay cheesy tryhard attempt at something "scary" and dark and operatic and doesn't work.

Correct.
& Helloween are cool!

 

[Goreripper]

I was thinking that a while ago, it would be weird if people he worked with or went to uni with or whatever knew who he was. Imagine having Matt Barlow in your class...I would bitch slap him and tell him to wake up to himself.

I was thinking about this on the way home from work yesterday. Imagine his first day at college or whatever. Some guys ask him who he is and what he did before he came back to study and he says "I'm Matt Barlow, I used to sing in a heavy metal band called Iced Earth." The guys just look at each other and say, "You gave up unlimited drugs and pussy to come here? Man, what a gimp."

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

Yep. Helloween are cool (I prefer recent Helloween over their "classic" stuff though... Andi Deris kicks Michael Kiske and the songs are way better). Helloween have cool choruses. If The Reckoning had a Helloween chorus then it wouldn't be so shit.

 

[spawn]

Helloween ARE cool! But not when they are Iced Earth.

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

Imagine Nikki Sixx or Tommy Lee going back to school hahahahahaha!

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

Helloween ARE cool! But not when they are Iced Earth.

So its lucky that it doesn't sound like Helloween then isn't it?

 

[spawn]

Tim's vocals are great on the album. I always liked Matt and I kept wondering how the choruses would sound without him. Iced Earth's choruses have always been one of my favorite parts of the music.

Much to my surprise, the choruses retain the classic Iced Earth feel. I asked Jon this and he said that it's actually his voice that has been the prominent one in the choruses.

I would say that Tim sounds more 'metal'. There is more edge and attack in his voice. But you also have to consider that Jon always wrote the vocal melodies. What this means is that the vocals don't sound radically different then previous Iced Earth.

As much as I liked Matt, I have to say that I prefer Tim.

The Gettysburg trilogy is my favorite part of the album. It's got great pace and flow to it. There is a lot of tension, both musicially and lyrically. It's got more layered melodies then your typical IE epic. There is a mellow section where Jon and Tim trade vocal lines, it's fantastic.

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Thats from the guy working on the mix of the dvd of Gettysburg, figured some of you might be interested

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Its good to hear some positive comments about the album. I can't wait to hear Gettysburg even more now.

 

[Wrathchild]

The lineup change I'm not too fussed about. Young Timothy has a mean set of lungs and it'll be a change to hear them put to good use for once.

What concerns me is all the riff recycling (in all those samples there's nothing I haven't before in countless IE songs), the awful lyrics and the cheesy patriotic theme Jon's decided on. This album will be a textbook example of why metal gets treated as a joke. Challenge the stereotype, don't live up to it!

W

 

[Goreripper]

Tim's vocals are great on the album. I always liked Matt and I kept wondering how the choruses would sound without him. Iced Earth's choruses have always been one of my favorite parts of the music.

Much to my surprise, the choruses retain the classic Iced Earth feel. I asked Jon this and he said that it's actually his voice that has been the prominent one in the choruses.

I would say that Tim sounds more 'metal'. There is more edge and attack in his voice. But you also have to consider that Jon always wrote the vocal melodies. What this means is that the vocals don't sound radically different then previous Iced Earth.

As much as I liked Matt, I have to say that I prefer Tim.

The Gettysburg trilogy is my favorite part of the album. It's got great pace and flow to it. There is a lot of tension, both musicially and lyrically. It's got more layered melodies then your typical IE epic. There is a mellow section where Jon and Tim trade vocal lines, it's fantastic.

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This means nothing. What else is he going to say? I agree with Wrathy... Schaffer's riff recycling is beyond a joke. I've heard people whinge that Maiden re-used the "Blood Brothers" motif several times on "DoD" (and they did), but Iced Earth's used the same riffs on every album. At least Cannibal Corpse admits they recycle riffs now and then. On a different note, I got a promo copy of "The Reckoning", but I can't play it on my show because I got a 'faded' version, which means it fades out halfway through and is, therefore, useless to me.

 

[spawn]

I was only posting it because I saw it, not because I agree with it. Schaffers recycling is bad but no worse than Maidens, im FAR more worried about the ridiculous lyrics and power metal that seems to have crept in and taken over in the space of one album. I know Jon has some bad lyrics, but he also has some really great stuff, he just seems to have forgotten the latter

 

[Goreripper]

Perhaps we can put this down to a mid-career rut. Every band goes through it. Just hope it will be a mid-career rut, and not an end-of-career one.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Yeah that is a great point Gorey. Lets hope Jon gets out of this funk for the next album.

Also, I think we should hear the whole thing before dismissing it like this. I am sure I will still like it even if it is as bad as it could be.

 

[spawn]

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2245182#post2245182

Some new pics of the band and a couple of shots that will be used on the dvd are there

 

[Blitzkrieg]