Making Samples

[cloy26]

I tracked with a band today and decided to try and use my own samples instead of just opting for reaching for the slates.

I tracked the bass drum samples with a beta52 in the sound hole, a 57 on the beater side and an at4040 about 5 feet out right in the middle of the head.

I tracked the snare and toms with:

Sm57 on top
M-audio pulsar on top about 4 feet dead center
M-audio Pulsar as a bottom mic
AT4040 and room

I don't know if those are even correct mic'ing applications, but I was experimenting. I didn't check phase before I did tracked them, so my question is, can I just nudge the tracks over to line up phase? Or is that pointless?

Sorry for the n00b question, but I really want to be able to make my own samples.

 

[006]

Should be ok I think since they aren't being recorded at the same time but individually, yanno?

 

[cloy26]

yah I got yah. It was actually really cool and I would love to go into a decent live room and make my own samples. I would feel so accomplished. Thanks for the opinion.;

 

[Paulie!]

It's always worth it to sample the kit of the band your recording...

+1 to 006's response on the phase, if you're recording one mic at a time your fine..

You should post some audio man, I'd like to hear.. if your down to post em'.. I mean I'm always looking for for tom samples I have less of those than anything else

 

[cloy26]

It's always worth it to sample the kit of the band your recording...

+1 to 006's response on the phase, if you're recording one mic at a time your fine..

You should post some audio man, I'd like to hear.. if your down to post em'.. I mean I'm always looking for for tom samples I have less of those than anything else

well, I tracked 4 mics at one time... but obviously single hits...

Is that what you mean?

 

[Evan Hoyles]

Could someone go over all the steps it takes to make your own samples? I guess you record multiple hits of each velocity and edit everything, then how would I organize everything into something like konota?

 

[cloy26]

I know how to make them, I just want to know if it would be correct procedure to fix the phase.

 

[professorlamp]

Could someone go over all the steps it takes to make your own samples? I guess you record multiple hits of each velocity and edit everything, then how would I organize everything into something like konota?

kontakt im assuming you mean?

go into the mapping editor, import your WAV from the left hand page on kontakt, (its been a while since i've done this so these instructions might be a tad rusty) then once the audio file is imported into the mapping editor it should appear as a yellow square, move that square to the velocity 0-127 you want and to the key c0 - c6

conventionally you'd have the kick drums as c1 and probably across the whole velocity board since not many people I can think of use more than one kick drum hit with samples.

forgot to mention the obvious process so here goes :-

record TEh drumz
edit the hits
Export the hits into a nice little folder
open up kontakt and now read the first part

 

[Evan Hoyles]

kontakt im assuming you mean?

go into the mapping editor, import your WAV from the left hand page on kontakt, (its been a while since i've done this so these instructions might be a tad rusty) then once the audio file is imported into the mapping editor it should appear as a yellow square, move that square to the velocity 0-127 you want and to the key c0 - c6

conventionally you'd have the kick drums as c1 and probably across the whole velocity board since not many people I can think of use more than one kick drum hit with samples.

forgot to mention the obvious process so here goes :-

record TEh drumz
edit the hits
Export the hits into a nice little folder
open up kontakt and now read the first part

Thanks! Any samples I make will probably suck but it will be fun to try. @cloy sorry for derailing the thread a bit haha

 

[006]

There won't be any phase issues, you are recording each one separately. Because you aren't hitting the snare and toms at the same exact time, there is no bleed into the mics that will cause phase issues.

 

[cloy26]

So phase problems don't exist between mics on a single instrument? Regardless of the distance of the mics from the sound source?

So:
I have a snare.

SM57 on top angled at the center a few inches off
Pulsar angled at the center from the bottom with the phase inverted
A pulsar directly over the center on the snare 4 feet up
An at4040 about 6 feet out in the room

So they won't have any phase issues? If not, I need to review phase.

 

[SimonTaddio_Qc]

Yeah, but I think he assumes you will make different samples with the different mics. If you are to blend the different mics to a mono track, phase could possibly be an issue. Check if there's a noticable volume drop, or something weird going on, otherwise I say you're good.

 

[AdamWathan]

There won't be any phase issues, you are recording each one separately. Because you aren't hitting the snare and toms at the same exact time, there is no bleed into the mics that will cause phase issues.

There is definitely going to be phase issues man, that's what happens when you use multiple mics on the same source. They are different distances away, they are not going to be perfectly in phase...

To the OP, I would just phase align the samples from the different microphones manually before printing to a single track.

 

[cloy26]

To the OP, I would just phase align the samples from the different microphones manually before printing to a single track.

exactly what I was getting at. So I could align them inside my daw? Thanks d00d.

 

[jimwilbourne]

can we talk about making samples for Cymbals?
as far as micing procedure goes, that is.
I'm having a hard time finding info on mic selection and technique for making these.
do I just toss up a normal OHs and room mics?
Do I need to "close" mic anything? if so what kinda mics/angles/distances should I be using.
Am I over analyzing this?

 

[Trevoire520]

Cloy, there'll certainly be phase issues, they might not necessarily be a massive problem though. You could phase align all the mic's, but you'll lose some depth as there's no time delay between the close and room mic's.

Basically, you can just throw up the faders and see how it sounds. Flipping the phase of each mic to see which position gives the most low end. If it's sounding dodgy in both positions then move the mic.
Real drum recordings are chock full of phase issues! With snare close mic's, overheads, room mic's and spill into other mic's on the kit.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "PERFECT" PHASE
The only way two signals can be perfectly in phase at all frequencies is if it's the same signal that's been copied.

 

[Trevoire520]

Jim, you can go as simple or as complex as you like. Go for overheads and a room mic, throw in spot mics if you're needing some more detail.

 

[cloy26]

Thank you.