master fader in the red??

[broken81]

ok i was mixing up this song from this fourm and all was going well and all that but when i threw on a master fader bam it was just nailing the red looking like rudolf

Now should i be pulling all the other faders down till im not cliping on masterfader??

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Kind of

 

[cobhc]

Yes, you should move all the faders down like 5db or so, then see how the level is after that.

 

[broken81]

do i wana get way below zero and use like waves l2 to bring back up around unity???

Or just back off enough to not clip the master fader?

 

[::XeS::]

If your master go on red and you don't ear clipping...turn down master fader.
If your master stay below 0dB and you ear clipping..turn down the instrument faders

 

[Kenneth R.]

i'd agree with this method^

also if lowering the other faders doesn't solve it, check other faders in your chain (such as guitar input volume, etc)

 

[Mutant]

ok i was mixing up this song from this fourm and all was going well and all that but when i threw on a master fader bam it was just nailing the red looking like rudolf

Now should i be pulling all the other faders down till im not cliping on masterfader??

If the mix is good why don't you just use the master fader to lower the volume (this is why the fader is included in your DAW after all AFAIK) and then normalize the mix in an audio editor (if you want it to touch exactly 0dB without clipping).

 

[Jackal_Strain]

Because that can introduce "artifacts" to the sound... It runs the risk of sounding very grainy compared to lowering all the channel faders.

 

[xmarcelx]

Afaik as I now theres is no internal clipping in modern DAWs (they use floats internal) so you just need to pull down the master fader!

 

[Mutant]

Afaik as I now theres is no internal clipping in modern DAWs (they use floats internal) so you just need to pull down the master fader!

Right ! Internal audio resolution is 32 bits in most DAWs and even 64 bits in Reaper IIRC so you can overdrive the main bus even by 100dB and then use the master fader to get a pristine audio again. Try it Jackal_Strain .

 

[Muttley]

Right ! Internal audio resolution is 32 bits in most DAWs and even 64 bits in Reaper IIRC so you can overdrive the main bus even by 100dB and then use the master fader to get a pristine audio again. Try it Jackal_Strain .

64bit in SONAR 5 PE too.

I just pull the main bus fader down if it goes into the red. Never heard any artifacts or clipping using this method.

Muttley

 

[Jackal_Strain]

Well... you're wrong.

 

[Noumenon]

prove it!

 

[LSD-Studio]

the stereo-sum is nothing but a global group.
why should there be a difference in pullinmg "mastergroup-fader" down or any other sub-group-fader?

wouldn't make sense.

might give you some bit less, though.
mixdown with master at 0 would give you 24bit (or whatever you choose as your wordlength". pulling it down would mean a bit-reduction.


wrong?

 

[Noumenon]

hm, you lost me there in the end. lol

 

[broken81]

well say i wana use a waves l2 plugin now and i only pulled the master fader down cuase it already sounded to overdriven now im spossed to pump my mix back up again with l2 ???

seems like you would wana pull all the faders down so your not driving the master fader into cliping?? I dont know though thats why i asked :Smug:

 

[xmarcelx]

the stereo-sum is nothing but a global group.
why should there be a difference in pullinmg "mastergroup-fader" down or any other sub-group-fader?

wouldn't make sense.

might give you some bit less, though.
mixdown with master at 0 would give you 24bit (or whatever you choose as your wordlength". pulling it down would mean a bit-reduction.


wrong?

that makes no sense coz the mixing and everthing in the DAW is done with >32bit!

 

[Kenneth R.]

if it sounds "overdriven" you should be lowering your input levels when recording dude, or lowering track levels because you've introduced clipping...

 

[Mutant]

Well... you're wrong.

Hmmm
Are you kidding ?

Load a wave
Increase it's loudness beyond 0dB
Decrease by exactly the same amount at the main fader
Render
Load both waves (old and rendered)
Invert the phase of one of these waves
Render

You will get a digital zero.

Case closed !

 

[Mutant]

if it sounds "overdriven" you should be lowering your input levels when recording dude, or lowering track levels because you've introduced clipping...

English is not my first or even second language but from what he has said in his first post in this thread:

ok i was mixing up this song from this fourm

He is not recording anything, he is just trying to mix some tracks (most probably posted here by MKS).