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[Judge gsz]

We pay for everything we have and still pay very high taxes.QUOTE]

Well, I didn't ever get anything here without paying for it. And djeezes, most woman do work here. And I personally know a lot of women in the army or with the police. The fact that we have 40 h workweeks is because our grandpa's died for it. Now, that only goes for normal 9 to 5 jobs that don't make a lot of money. If you want to get the big cash, you work 24/7, I can tell you that!!!

Most european countries have social security system. That's a good thing in many cases but it costs loads and loads of money. And where does that come from : taxes of course. So I don't think we fortunate when it comes to taxes....

 

[Susie]

even this bollix?

NO

 

[LostLenore]

Women (mothers) in general work 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Emancipation, my ass. Women can do the same things a man can ,but now you have to have a successful carreer, be a perfect mother, keep everything organised at home AND still look attractive to your hb/bf.

It's not accepted anymore that you stay at home for the kids
even if it's only for a few years.
(from the day I gave birth to me son I keep hearing 'when are you going back to work')

 

[Judge gsz]

Women (mothers) in general work 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Emancipation, my ass. Now you have to have a successful carreer, be a perfect mother, keep everything organised at home AND still look attractive to your hb/bf.

It's not accepted anymore that you stay at home for the kids
even if it's only for a few years.
(from the day I gave birth to me son I keep hearing 'when are you going back to work')

I dunno, i have the feeling that is slowly changing. I think the "housewife" is getting back the recognition it deserves (or houseman for that matter).

I know that in Belgium for instance there is stuff like ouderschapsverlof, tijdskrediet (sorry don't know how to translate it), to give young parents the change to be with their family more...

 

[LostLenore]

Ouderschapsverlof is only 3 months extra. way too short.

I believe in the scandinavian countries it is more than a year.

btw I don't want to be a housewife ( the lonelyness would drive me up the wall), but I'm convinced that kids love the fact that their mother is there for them.
That's why I'm in a bit of a dilemma: going back to work (looking for work) or stay at home for a while.


(I have a degree in electronics and a lot of years experience in I.T., it's a pity letting this go to waist)

 

[trona]

Americans don't work eight hour days, we work 10 -16 hour days and raise families. Even poor people work these long hours, not just people making the big bucks. That's what I'm saying and we don't get any time off, a week or two weeks a year if you are lucky. You people get how much time off a year?
We pay high taxes and most of us do not have health insurance, we can't even afford to go to the doctor or buy medication we need. We ourselves pay for our health insurance if we have it, it is not compensated by the taxes we pay.


And as far as the army and women comments, I'm talking about ground combat, not just being in the army.

 

[Allan]

Trona, when you say high taxes are you anywhere near 47%? There are even extreme examples where people who make millions have to pay more than 100% in taxes (hilarious), I'm not moaning, I'm very much for social welfare, thus for high taxes (more than a 100% might be a bit unfair though).
That's how social welfare works you know.

And women in Danish army are there on the same grounds as men, but contrary to men on a voluntary basis to start off with (right to serve contrary to duty to serve).

Those things you almost ridicule are rights workers have fought for centuries to gain.

EDIT: Them 100% are only on the latest earned part of their income of course.

 

[Allan]

Ouderschapsverlof is only 3 months extra. way too short.

I believe in the scandinavian countries it is more than a year.

I think it's 6-8 months, then either or both parents can take parental leave after that, not quite sure how much they're paid during that, not really a subject I've had to know about.

 

[Dora]

at us, from 100 what an employe pays to a worker, he gets 40.. thats a nice tax rate innit? then from that 40 u can go shopping while we have 25% VAT. I think you generalize things, Trona. I know lots of US people and they work shit for lots of money. In fact the only place where we could live even easier and richer than here in Switzerland is the US. And just look at your GDP like.. and there are really many housewifes too.

and about ground combat: sending some hundreds of women out from some 200 million is not really the same pain as when soldiers walk into your living room and rape you and shoot you in the head or you need to do compulsory work without a choice while your friends turn into meat and gore just there.. Europe knows what war really means, and for Americans its more like a video game. We had houdred thousands of buildings collapsed not only 2.

And anyway, women should not go to ground combat and they should not be forced to work 16 hours. Maybe they should not vote to bush ever again

 

[Judge gsz]

at us, from 100 what an employe pays to a worker, he gets 40.. thats a nice tax rate innit? then from that 40 u can go shopping while we have 25% VAT. I think you generalize things, Trona. I know lots of US people and they work shit for lots of money. In fact the only place where we could live even easier and richer than here in Switzerland is the US. And just look at your GDP like.. and there are really many housewifes too.

and about ground combat: sending some hundreds of women out from some 200 million is not really the same pain as when soldiers walk into your living room and rape you and shoot you in the head or you need to do compulsory work without a choice while your friends turn into meat and gore just there.. Europe knows what war really means, and for Americans its more like a video game. We had houdred thousands of buildings collapsed not only 2.

And anyway, women should not go to ground combat and they should not be forced to work 16 hours. Maybe they should not vote to bush ever again

I think this one' s right. I know Americans, living in a nice neigbourhood in massachussets, and I know their kids and friends. All pretty "rich" people, but none of them work as hard as you describe, so please spare us the moaning...

 

[trona]

I think this one' s right. I know Americans, living in a nice neigbourhood in massachussets, and I know their kids and friends. All pretty "rich" people, but none of them work as hard as you describe, so please spare us the moaning...

Mass. is a rich state and who are you that you know wealthy american? Wealthy yourself?

The rights we worked hard for were labour unions and a 40 hour work week, which we haven't had for long time now, long before Bush.

It is not me who moans but I have heard that when american corporations set up shop there, that European employees moan when they are expected to work the hours that we do. Please, give me a break.



Dora, I am not saying anything about who has suffered in war , I'm talking about women's rights and equality in the battle field and who is willing to allow women to fight in combat, that is all.

By the way, right up until WW1, we were being genocided here on our land intensly for the 100 years previous, I'm part Native American. My great grandmother lived through the Indian Wars, she wasn't born during reservation times. We still owned most of texas when she was born. That is how close the history is to us now. And our genocide didn't end when we were forced to the reservations either, it continued on well into this century.

Just ask mehdi and bambi , they refer to it in comments directed towards me belittling our genocide, constantly.

 

[Cerulean]

Yeah, damn Americans, should've left us alone back in the 40s as well, everything would be much simpler now.

Hmm I don't agree. I'd probably be talking bloody German right now if the Americans weren't there at Normandy or the Ardennes offensive... So just for that I'm very thankful to America. Apart from that, USA can fuck off really, as long as they have Bush in command.

 

[Dora]

well... when i say US I usually refer to those white guys who took over that land.. it should've never happened.

 

[Allan]

Hmm I don't agree. I'd probably be talking bloody German right now if the Americans weren't there at Normandy or the Ardennes offensive... So just for that I'm very thankful to America. Apart from that, USA can fuck off really, as long as they have Bush in command.

That was meant to be ultra smart and sarcastic .
Must remember to use these smileys, but it seems so gay to laugh at yourself .

Bush is a nightmare, won't argue there.

 

[Allan]

well... when i say US I usually refer to those white guys who took over that land.. it should've never happened.

Kind of hard to imagine how the world would be if it hadn't happened, would the Indians have industrialised? Would we just leave the Americas alone? Would Europe in any way be as prosperous as it is?

Weird thought, kind of unimaginable.

 

[Su Jacko]

Boys, I'm not supporting the war, I'm countering previous false assumption statements about how women don't fight in war. Ours do even if yours don't. Our women work harder to make a living as well, all Americans do, it is well known that we work longer weeks with less vacation that any Europeans. Why? We are a non-socialized democracy. We pay for everything we have and still pay very high taxes. Plus it is required of our corporations that people work long hours. Fourty hour work weeks are a distant memory. If you don't make this kind of money in the corporate world, then most likely you work a couple of jobs, two or more, working very long days to survive as well. Women as well as men. I don't know what century you all are living in by making the comments you do about women, not ours in the U.S. , that's for sure. The things you say are a distant absurdity here and very strange and disturbing to hear.
I don't support much that the U.S. does here or anywhere, but listening to you all makes me realize just why we are where we are in the world, partly due to how hard we ALL work, and how we have left these inhibiting concepts of women far behind. It's just so weird.

OK,
As far as I cn make out you seem to be delighted that your country has you working long shifts or two jobs, high taxes and doesn't care about it's people just the big bucks? Don't get me wrong I'm more than aware of the problems in this country but I'm not defending my country for it's mistakes.
This idea of less inhibiting concepts... 5 women governors in fifty, women hold 13 percent of the congress seats, top 500 companies in America..4 ran by a woman. On average women earn less than men.
'How hard we ALL work'..i'm sure you do work hard but then just because I don't have to work inexcusable hours doesn't mean that I don't.
'realise just where we are in the world'...I don't think you do mate. Your media, press schooling is all geared towards this., We're Number One syndrome and doesn't give you an idea of how alone, as a country, you are....
You are actually number one in..
military spending, firearm deaths, carbon dioxide emissions, hazardous waste production, oil consumption, per capita calorie consumption, lowest voter turnout, the number of international human rights treaties not signed.....

This is not a person attack but an attack on the attitude which is bred in your country.

 

[trona]

OK,
As far as I cn make out you seem to be delighted that your country has you working long shifts or two jobs, high taxes and doesn't care about it's people just the big bucks? Don't get me wrong I'm more than aware of the problems in this country but I'm not defending my country for it's mistakes.
This idea of less inhibiting concepts... 5 women governors in fifty, women hold 13 percent of the congress seats, top 500 companies in America..4 ran by a woman. On average women earn less than men.
'How hard we ALL work'..i'm sure you do work hard but then just because I don't have to work inexcusable hours doesn't mean that I don't.
'realise just where we are in the world'...I don't think you do mate. Your media, press schooling is all geared towards this., We're Number One syndrome and doesn't give you an idea of how alone, as a country, you are....
You are actually number one in..
military spending, firearm deaths, carbon dioxide emissions, hazardous waste production, oil consumption, per capita calorie consumption, lowest voter turnout, the number of international human rights treaties not signed.....

This is not a person attack but an attack on the attitude which is bred in your country.

But I DO possess the attitude that is bred in this country fully.
I actually could care less about all i've stated above, I'm completely apathetic towards our country, social conditions here, human rights, or anyone elses in the world. Through I did mean what I said on the vegetarian thread, I just don't ever expect anything to change which is why I'm fully apathetic, which i also stated there. Nothing really matters and we have no control.

 

[Su Jacko]

Don't get ya? How can you have say you fully possess the attitude of your country and yet have a passive regard for it?

 

[Dhatura]

I think she wanted to say DON'T instead of DO. That happens sometimes.

 

[Dhatura]

Btw, I start work at 7:30 in the morning, and usually get home at 10 at night. And all of this for shitty money.