Metal Invader review

rockavlon

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Oct 17, 2004
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JAG PANZER – “Casting The Stones”
(Century Media)
Running Time : 51:09

I feel a bit uneasy about having to review a JAG PANZER release and really knock it off, a bit. JAG PANZER had an unbroken line of Excellent releases since their comeback, in the 90s with the 4th judgement. This is their 8th (?) studio release (WE WANT A LIVE ALBUM), once again recorded in the famous Morrisound Studios and produced by Jim Morris I would presume. However, this time the production leaves a lot to be desired. The entire record is characterized by a lack of warmth, and the guitars are too low in the mix, or sound weird, I don’t like their sound (…) while the drums are too prominent, sounding odd. In songs like “Achilles” the situation is a bit amended, but overall, it really blows the chances for a lot of the other songs. Perhaps their contract is finishing and CM, is engaging in similar tactics as with NEVERMORE (cutting the budget down ?) to keep the band signed to them ?! Who knows. But if one chooses to be cynical there have been 2 more releases in the recent past that are not exactly great we ‘re talking about the rather poorly produced and less than monumental re-recordings included in 2003’s rather dreadful “Decade Of The Nail-Spiked Bat”, (well the band is not to blame – their then guitarist Mr. Tafolla will not allow the re-release of “Ample Destruction”, which by now has been bootlegged a million times anyway…) as well as The re-release of the lost album “Chain of Command” featuring a different singer, which is also not really of the utmost quality recording wise, as It was not meant to be released in the first place. Thus, “Casting the stones” is the better pick of the bunch from all three of the most recent JAG PANZER related offerings.
The record is more aggressive than the previous efforts by the band. Less passionate as well and more complex. Also most of the songs seem to be in the mid tempo territory and sound a bit too similar for their own good. Also no ahem ballads or epics this time and I would not have minded a couple easing the listening experience. Opener ‘Feast Or Famine’, aint too bad, pretty furious and building up to a climax, but it’s intro sounds uncunningly close to some traditional Greek/Eastern melody. Next up is “The Mission (1943)” which is more like the Jag Panzer material of old, with a distinctly “sing along” chorus. ‘Vigilant’ is boring, with the only interesting part the guitar interplay in the middle by Msrs Briody and Broderik. Also it’s chorus is not really standing out, which doesn’t help. Ahem next up is the best song of the album “Achilles” with some sharp and glorius riffola, with some (gasp) great use of keyboards , to spice it up. Harry at last sound motivated and quite passionate but I have a couple of complaints. First, the song is too short, so the soloing is very limited and secondly, I would expect the band that has covered a Shakespearean concept to be more careful and not be inspired by a movie, but by the real epic… (To avenge his cousin’s what ? What cousin ?) Right, minor complaints by this GREEK reviewer aside, it’s the best song here. “Tempest” is heavy and has a nice little acoustic section in the middle and a nice chorus. “Legion Immortal” is good, but it reminds me too much of something that the band has done in “Ample Destruction”, yup it reminds me a slower version of “Reign Of The Tyrants”. Duh not too original. “Battered & Bruised” has some nice guitars and atmosphere but lacks a good enough chorus. “Cold” is as suggested, cold, and ultimately pretty boring. Nice spiraling riff, but it doesn’t save the song from sounding too bland and dull. ‘Starlight’s Fury’, is guitar dominated, toppled by some silly sounding bell-keyboard sounds. And is too darn slow. You simply cannot call a mid tempo song Something- FURY ? (I mean I don’t see were the ferocity and all is) ‘The Hearkening’ is a bit better, but again plods, the band probably in autopilot. ‘Precipice’ clocking at almost 7 minutes manages to totally bore me. Phew, I never thought I ‘d be saying that for a JAG PANZER record. Guys take this back to the drawing board. Drop the keys, where they are not necessary. Revisit some nice warfare concepts and be GODAMN ANTHEMIC. This is not ANTHEMIC enough. Well the band can always choose to hear the fans/critics or just start believing in their own publicity. I for once, remain unsatisfied by the end product and hope for a more worthy follow up.

Jag Panzer may have not achieved superstardom, but will forever be recognised as the BEST American Power Metal band EVER, rivaled only by the Tony Moore fronted RIOT, by those who know and love their METAL. “Casting the stones” might take a lot of listens and might ultimately leave you a bit “cold”, but I mean if you have stood by the band through thick and thin, don’t give up on them now. I sincerely hope that they will not give up on us. Till the next time then…

4/6

Dimitrios “Rockavlon” Fatouros
 
Well written review, once you get around some of the cooky English errors. I would have to say that the only song that I didn't enjoy in the least bit from that album would have to be Starlight's Fury. I really hope that song's not an indicator of the direction on future albums.

And come on, man. Even though "Decade" didn't have the best audio quality, admit it, it still kicked ass. \m/
 
That review blows..What an idiot. maybe he needs to go back to his stereo and give it a couple more spins cos this album rules.
 
CauldronBorn said:
That review blows..What an idiot. maybe he needs to go back to his stereo and give it a couple more spins cos this album rules.

Wow, what a logical response to negative criticism. :rolleyes: While I don't exactly agree with the review in all aspects, he has the right to voice his opinion -that doesn't make him an idiot. I have to admit, even though I like CTS for the most part, some of the keys are very out of place, and the album sounds annoyingly modern at points, due to the tunings and production.
 
I have to admit, I agree with the reviewer on the errors in Achilles. Some of the mythology is off. However, I didn't let it influence my liking of the song.

Jean-Pierre, I agree with you on some points of your criticism. Imho, keys are very hard to work into a metal song. In my world, "Phantoms Of Death" by Helloween has the best use of keys. And "Cold" is my least favorite tune on CtS.

Can't wait to see JP in Chicago!
 
The reviewer did make some good points, I think the drums are a tad loud myself (but since they sound so perfectly clear it doesn't bother me). But the reviewer lost me when he said that the songs "sound a bit too similar". I think the diversity of songs on CTS is excellent.
 
I didnt' mind that review. As one of the musicians, I obviously disagree with some of his statements, but it's a well written interview.

As for the Achilles comment - the reviewer is correct, Patroclus was not Achilles cousin, but rather his close friend and male lover. I believe that Harry took some literary license and went with the movie version of thier relationship.
 
Briody, if I may ask you, do you believe that you guys could have turned Achilles into a long epic number? I listen to it, and I think it could have been so much more, especially when it speeds up at the end, I feel it could have continued on into perhaps a ten minute riff-driven epic. :worship:
 
Jean-Pierre said:
Briody, if I may ask you, do you believe that you guys could have turned Achilles into a long epic number? I listen to it, and I think it could have been so much more, especially when it speeds up at the end, I feel it could have continued on into perhaps a ten minute riff-driven epic. :worship:
The intent with Achilles was actually to make it a short epic. Epics are typically long songs. Coming from a background of being a die-hard Maiden fan, I've always enjoyed songs like 'Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner'. But I would often find myself listening to the shorter 'instant gratification' Maiden songs.

So we discussed the idea of doing a short epic. A song that had the qualities of an epic, but was around the 3 minute mark.

To answer your question specifically - yes, Achilles could have been longer. My earliest demo of that song was 7 minutes. But I liked Precipice better for the long song, so Achilles became the 'short epic'.

Mark
 
well - this is just a draft -the thing is not published yet. It's more like stream of consciousnes put into words - the syntax sucks. i will rewrite it and have it proof-read. I 'm in my final year at uni and i m working and playing in a band - so you pretty much get the picture. i get very little sleep, i 'm very stressed most of the time, (english ain't my mother tongue). ph... I asked my doctor about it, he said it's a temporary state i 'm in - usually i 'm able to express myself in a much more coherent way. Oh and i always make a million typos, because i don't type - i blitz-type.

well. sorry dudes...

and wouldn't that be mistakes instead of errors ? :D


plus - to the guy that made the post about me being an idiot. you're fighting fire with fire eh ? negative reaction to a semi-negative/lukewarm review?
If this was Warfare i would have given it a 7/6 :p Why ? Because i thought it was great, something that i cannot say about CTS. I have an everexpanding collection of about 2500 albums, and i tend to be rather picky, or they would be 5000 by now. I don't smoke or drink - i buy cds :p ehehe.
It's just so easy to badmouth somebody you don't know over the internet isn't it ?! But I 'm cool with it. I 'm a fool - i pity myself :p ccan't think af any other cool mr t catchphrases to throw in.. there was one .. ah, just can't remember it... nevermind.

well - it's ok - the achilles bit -well i m greek, it's as if i'd write a song about lets say the civil war and stared changing stuff ... people would be pissed guess.

About the sound -it could as well be the speakers that i 'm using. i 'm not listening to the albun on a hifi - but even with headphones on i still dont like the sound. not only the tuning, but the overall sound. The mix in general. better than Decade, but i thought warfare was far better.

and finally - i obviously did this review from a d/l copy . Getting this album in the uk - is next to impossible (more so a month in advance of it's release :p ) unless you 're in london - or wanna wait 4 weeks for it to get delivered.
well i will however be getting a copy when i head back home, during the xmas break.
which i originally didnt plan to do. so i guess i'll be buying the little sucker afterall.

ahem to mark : could that "long" version actually be uploaed on the inter-porn ? (unless it's too embarashing) or would CM bitch ?
 
rockavlon said:
plus - to the guy that made the post about me being an idiot. you're fighting fire with fire eh ? negative reaction to a semi-negative/lukewarm review?
If this was Warfare i would have given it a 7/6 :p Why ? Because i thought it was great, something that i cannot say about CTS. I have an everexpanding collection of about 2500 albums, and i tend to be rather picky, or they would be 5000 by now. I don't smoke or drink - i buy cds :p ehehe.
It's just so easy to badmouth somebody you don't know over the internet isn't it ?! But I 'm cool with it. I 'm a fool - i pity myself :p ccan't think af any other cool mr t catchphrases to throw in.. there was one .. ah, just can't remember it... nevermind.

I apologize for my rather hasty comment about you. Its just that when you feel so strong about something, as I do about this album, its hard to read a review that upon first reading sounded like a bashing of the disc but after reading it again wasn't as bad as I made it out to be. Sorry if I offended you, next time I will think twice about posting a message like that!
 
About the 'long' version of Achilles.

It was a very early draft of mine, which means just me and a drum machine. No one else in the band heard any of it. It never got past that stage.

So there is basically no chance that version will ever surface.
 
Jean-Pierre said:
Briody, if I may ask you, do you believe that you guys could have turned Achilles into a long epic number? I listen to it, and I think it could have been so much more, especially when it speeds up at the end, I feel it could have continued on into perhaps a ten minute riff-driven epic. :worship:


Jean-Pierre, if you're interested in a Trojan War epic, try Manowar's "The Triumph Of Steel." They did a song called 'Achilles, Agony, and Ecstasy In Eight Parts.' It clocks in at 28:37!
 
Aias said:
Jean-Pierre, if you're interested in a Trojan War epic, try Manowar's "The Triumph Of Steel." They did a song called 'Achilles, Agony, and Ecstasy In Eight Parts.' It clocks in at 28:37!

You think I haven't heard it? :D