Michael Moore and Freedom

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This is the best and most concisely written article I've read on Michael Moore yet. This really sets it straight. What's really interesting is that this piece strips him completely of any credibility whatsoever without pointing out any single one of his "mistakes" from Fahrenheit 9/11. Enjoy!



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Michael Moore and Freedom

by Erich Mattei

[Posted July 29, 2004]

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When has there been a single piece of art, theater, or literature that has had such a profound impact on politics as Michael Moore's latest film, "Fahrenheit 9/11"?Released at a pivotal time in both international affairs, in the wake of a much-debated military action in the ever-uneasy Middle East, and domestic politics, on the eve of the United States presidential election for the most powerful office in the world, the film has caused an unprecedented raucous. Moore is a teacher to millions.


The reason for this response is simple, for Moore's film strikes a universal chord within the consciousness of people from all cultures, classes, and ideologies: the fear of power and the love of freedom. The single greatest asset, and indeed only legitimate premise, of Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" is that it publicizes the coercive, grim face of the inevitable impoverishment that is the result of warfare. It investigates the rapid growth of the United States government and its trend of trampling the rights of individuals, and the corporatism that is spawned out of the close ties between big government and big business, especially in wartime.

However, these undeniable strengths of the film are also its greatest weaknesses, for Moore focuses his efforts on the conservative Bush administration instead of addressing the crux of the matter: the institution of government itself. Also, given the passionate disgust that the filmmaker has for the current authority at the helm of the United States government, and the equally passionate fondness he has for an alternative dictator, one may rightly question whether Moore's motives are sincerely rooted in liberty or merely in detraction.

Referencing Ray Bradbury's dystopian sci-fi novel "Fahrenheit 451", "Fahrenheit 9/11", according to producer Moore, was titled as such for being the "temperature at which freedom burns." One need not see Moore's latest work to conclude, based on any viewing of his past work or his website that he is certainly not the freedom fighter he espouses to be, but is actually the exact opposite.

Moore, and millions of others who accept his ideological premise that the warmongering state can be stopped even as big government expands, favors an expansion of power in the name of social welfare. Surely, he and his cohorts would valiantly argue to the contrary by drawing attention to the bigness of the imperialistic warfare-state that is currently being bred, but what both the modern left and right wings of mainstream political thought fail to realize is that the welfare-warfare state, empirically speaking, is a unified beast.

Thumbing through the pages of any history textbook, let alone a focused work such as Robert Higgs' Crisis & Leviathan, one will notice the radical growth of government regulations, programs, and public policy that occurs in conjunction with wartime. In these periods of national unrest the time preferences of authorities shift and decisions are made to satisfy some short-run interest with little, if any, regard for individuals, their natural rights, or the long-run repercussions of such decisions.

Moore undoubtedly realizes the evils of the military-industrial complex, and indeed sets out to prove it in his new film, but what he fails to understand is that this same formula also applies to the socialist government apparatus that he backs. Certainly, in the market, interests and plans change to accommodate unforeseen alterations, but individuals, being held accountable for their actions in such a setting, have a tendency to react with a greater concern for the well-being of others, even if such a concern stems purely from their own self-interest.

Government, be it welfare or warfare, holds a monopoly of power in the territory it administrates while private individuals and corporations are vulnerable to shifts in the market, namely the competitive market environment resulting from changing preferences of their fellow market participants, and are therefore encouraged to satisfy these changes in order to survive.

A logical depiction of Michael Moore's ideal system, a socialist welfare state, marks out how misguided such aims are, what such a system would hold, and Moore's contradiction of supporting such a system in light of his supposed support of freedom and peace. State socialism, the epitome of modern left liberalism and the logical end of its philosophy, is the antithesis of free market capitalism and, hence, all of the freedoms afforded the individual in the natural order setting of capitalism.

Socialism encompasses the absence of private property rights and the concomitant trade and markets that evolve from this propertied capitalist system. National socialism, the state-coordinated socialist system of Moore's sort, is the culmination of the state, a system wherein the individual has little if any choice but is rather regarded as a mere component of the state and granted rights and privileges to the state's property and resources.

While the utopian communist philosophers throughout history, which the modern left liberal sentiment resembles and often emulates, envision great prosperity and peace, such ends only achievable in a free market environment, basic logic concludes otherwise. Ludwig von Mises's Omnipotent Government does just this, mapping out the logical path of the rise of the total state and total war and the historical examples of such a system. The blueprint is quite concise: socialism, being the absence of markets and trade, and hence the inability to utilize any resources beyond the states' borders, necessitates conflict, in place of trade, to acquire those previously unattainable resources. This is the implicit contradiction that Moore makes of attacking the current warfare state and yet supporting the welfare state. For a consistent application of Moore's stances on economic issues would, in time, necessitate war if the total state wishes not perish.

The "freedom" favored by Moore and those of his ideological orientation is the "freedom" of government to tax, regulate, and grow so long as it is managing economic, social, and cultural life. Free market capitalism is positively the only manifestation of the natural right that each individual has to the ownership of oneself. It is also the system that Moore, a self-proclaimed civil rights activist, undeniably rejects with much conviction. For capitalism is the only system wherein consensual acts between consenting individuals are permitted, be they civil or economic.

Further, capitalism is the only system in which unprovoked, pre-emptive aggressions and rights violations committed by individuals or bands of individuals are prohibited. In his opposition to capitalism, Moore is explicitly opposing the only solution to the war-mongering imperialism he purports to counter. Government, a zero-sum game at best, is often times a negative sum game, notably during war or conflict, which necessitates orchestrating actions and policies such that those who benefit do so at the expense of others.

Free market capitalism, the only system of positive sums and liberty, for that matter, does not earn the approval of Moore or his followers because of it offers individuals the right to voluntarily interact with whomever they please, utilize and trade the fruits of their natural, diverse abilities, and profit from these exchanges. Indeed every piece of legislation or public policy initiative that redistributes wealth in any way, or pumps more money into an ever-failing public work or government program, most of which Moore openly supports, subjugates the fundamental freedom of self-ownership from which all other legitimate freedoms stem.

Therefore, one must ask: is any credit due to Moore, and if so, how much? Consider this historical analogy: a German Neo-Marxist in the 1930s–40s making a film on the terrors of the Nazi rise to power. The film would speak of the obvious, and even do great good, but the motives and ends are almost just as bad or worse.

Until Moore and his like reconsider their stance on the many forms of welfare statism they support, they will continue to be everything but the advocates of freedom they would like the public to think they are, and the philosophical framework of their bantering will yield not freedom from power but merely a shift in the ideological justification for power itself.

 
im neither for nor against moore really (I think the propaganda is present on both sides of the fence, what you want to believe is up to you).. but i dont think that article strips him of any credibility.. it all just sounds like biased personal opinion rather than any 'fact'
 
Yngvai X said:
Could you please point out what factual "mistakes" are in Farenheit 9/11?
Surely...

------->56 Deceits in F911


And for those who are lazy, here's two tasters of his blatant bullshit:

Newspaper Says Moore Film Used Fake Front
(http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040730/ap_en_mo/people_michael_moore_1)

The (Bloomington) Pantagraph newspaper in central Illinois has sent a letter to Moore and his production company, Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., asking Moore to apologize for using what the newspaper says was a doctored front page in the film, the paper reported Friday. It also is seeking compensatory damages of $1.

A scene early in the movie that shows newspaper headlines related to the legally contested presidential election of 2000 included a shot of The Pantagraph's Dec. 19, 2001, front page, with the prominent headline: "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election."

The paper says that headline never appeared on that day. It appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition, but the headline was not used on the front page. Instead, it was found in much smaller type above a letter to the editor, which the paper says reflects "only the opinions of the letter writer."

"If (Moore) wants to 'edit' The Pantagraph, he should apply for a copy-editing job," the paper said.

Lions Gate Entertainment did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Friday.


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I'm no fan of any of the Kennedy's, but Moore gravely mis-represented one of them, making him appear to be bewildered and defensive in the section where he asked Congressmen if they wanted their sons to be sent to Iraq:

Kennedy, when asked if he would be willing to send his son to Iraq, responded by stating that he had a nephew who was en-route to Afghanistan. He went on to inform Moore that his son was thinking about a career in the navy and that two of his nephews had already served in the armed forces. Kennedy's side of the conversation, however, was cut from the film, leaving him looking bewildered and defensive...So while Fahrenheit pretended that Kennedy just stupidly looked at Moore, Kennedy agreed to help Moore.
 
Michael Moore is a pompous airhead who is biting the capitalist hand that is feeding him. While his movie provided a liberal perspective in a world plagued by Fox News, it wasn't anything remarkable. This website here: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBODDW1DXD.html says the Saudi government offered Moore a visa to visit the country but he didn't bother. He makes no bones about his movie being biased--which I have no problem with--it distort facts, and that's not right.
 
See, I'm torn on Michael Moore. On one hand, he provides a voice for the liberal side in America (which is STRONGLY lacking compared to the conservative side) yet at the same time, he keeps pulling shit like is written in the aformentioned sites that just adds more fuel for the conservative fire against the liberal side. Honestly, about F 9/11, anything that could possibly get people to vote against Bush that either were undecided before or wouldn't have voted anyway is ok in my book.
 
The liberal side will do nothing but destroy America. Eight years of a democrat in the White House destroyed much of the prosperity seen from the Reagan era. Unfortunately, Mr. Bush has had to right the ship, which nobody seems to give him credit for. The economy is climbing again and things are looking good. But, everybody only looks at "the war" as judgement of his presidency.

No better account of the crap we are left with from Clinton's era can be presented above "Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror" by Richard Miniter.

I want a strong leader in the White House who is not afraid to protect his/her country. John Kerry will take three years to make a single decision - who knows what Al Qaeda may accomplish during that time. The country will definitely be "in a handbasket" if Kerry wins this election. Somebody please tell me one issue Kerry's platform is based upon - the only thing I hear from his camp is that "we must beat Bush". What are his plans for leading this country? There are none.

To quote the great Calvin Coolidge, "America's business is business". Democrats all too often forget this little addage and instead work toward big government and even bigger taxes. Keep the Republicans in the White House another three terms and your life will be much better.
 
Yngvai X said:
See, I'm torn on Michael Moore. On one hand, he provides a voice for the liberal side in America (which is STRONGLY lacking compared to the conservative side) yet at the same time, he keeps pulling shit like is written in the aformentioned sites that just adds more fuel for the conservative fire against the liberal side. Honestly, about F 9/11, anything that could possibly get people to vote against Bush that either were undecided before or wouldn't have voted anyway is ok in my book.

I really don't feel as thought the liberal side needs as much representation as the conservative side because liberal attitudes come very naturally. It's usually the most selfish, simple desire that leads to liberal perspectives. Especially in America with all our PC 'you can't say this, you can't do that, respect everyones differences, be tolerant of everything' attitude, liberalism is almost that gut feeling of what worries you may be offending someone or impedeing on their rights. Conservative attitudes, however, generally need to be considered in more depth to be understood. That's more of a 'I know this may sound wrong at first glance but there is an underlying reality and depth to this concept with consequences for the long term'. While both attitudes; being the intuitive 'undeniable rights of man', and the more thourough realism of decisions and their long term effects, are essential to a balance of political philosophy, the liberal side is far easier to grasp and grasp quickly than conservative views.
 
Anyone who is too far to the left or to the right ends up being overly zealous about their beliefs and refuses to hear anything from the other side. Liberals hide behind the "well being of everyone" (as if anyone can honestly say that they give a shit about their fellow neighbor) to support their logic, which is just as foolish as using God to back up political ideas in a country which is supposed to separate church and state.
 
I think F9/11 movie will have an impact on the left side. I think with all the distorted facts it will make the democrats look bad. As someone said if you go to far right or too far left you screw yourself over.

Ex:pat Buchannan and Howard Dean
 
I see his point but there are two things:

1. Free-market capitalism cannot and has not existed, ever. Big business simply WON'T LET new businesses (eg. businesses from 3rd world countries) from being competitive because that would dig into profits, which is giving business all the power, not the majority of the population.

2. Democracy WOULD work IF the citizens of the democracy STOOD UP for their rights. They just let business strip those rights away. If you count inflation, the average wage is no better than in the 1980's. Its a low-growth economy, with high-profits for the very few.

But I think people need to look at how many hundreds of millions of people are starving, and many who do not have adequate shelter. We need to come together and work on this problem, as a whole people and not let the elite make our decisions.
 
I have never paid attention to Moore and I have not seen F911. However, I think it's reprehensible that he has used distortion and propoghanda in his film. However, the Bush administration has used distorted facts and lies to advance their agenda. So if this movie pushes a few people over the fence and makes them vote against Bush, I guess it's a good thing. I am no "liberal", in fact I'm registered as a Republican and regrettably voted for Bush in 2000, but I believe Bush has done nothing positive in his 4 years and has only commited grave crimes against this world. It's disturbing to see blind conservatives rush to his aid and rationalize his actions.
 
wow, i was a little afraid to open this thread at first. i thought "oh god, not politics, in HERE!" but i have to say im impressed at the number of people that agree with my view. i also think moore is nothing more then a lying piece of shit. even if you are a liberal, i think you should be embarresed that this guy "represents" you.

the arguments made in here so far our quite interesting to read.....
 
ProgMetalFan said:
So if this movie pushes a few people over the fence and makes them vote against Bush, I guess it's a good thing. I am no "liberal", in fact I'm registered as a Republican and regrettably voted for Bush in 2000, but I believe Bush has done nothing positive in his 4 years and has only commited grave crimes against this world. It's disturbing to see blind conservatives rush to his aid and rationalize his actions.

yeah but do you think Kerry is any more fit to run this country?
 
See, I'm torn on Michael Moore. On one hand, he provides a voice for the liberal side in America (which is STRONGLY lacking compared to the conservative side) yet at the same time, he keeps pulling shit like is written in the aformentioned sites that just adds more fuel for the conservative fire against the liberal side.
My thoughts exactly. I don't dislike him because he's a liberal, I dislike him because he fucks them over, while at the same time trying to detract from conservatives. So does he really help anyone?
 
Yngvai X said:
See, I'm torn on Michael Moore. On one hand, he provides a voice for the liberal side in America (which is STRONGLY lacking compared to the conservative side) yet at the same time, he keeps pulling shit like is written in the aformentioned sites that just adds more fuel for the conservative fire against the liberal side. Honestly, about F 9/11, anything that could possibly get people to vote against Bush that either were undecided before or wouldn't have voted anyway is ok in my book.
A lot of people feel exactly the same way that you do(practically every review criticizes Moore but endorses F 9/11 anyway). Unfortunately, what most of them don't see is that by standing outside of the forest fire(Bush regime), they're shooting themselves in the foot instead in their fervent desperation to have the "other guy"("lesser evil") win. More specifically, they're willing to relinquish certain rights over others just to stop ONE evil.

I don't really like the term "liberal" anymore. In the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries that word was associated with people who cared deeply about liberty, the free market, private property, and individual rights(Thomas Jefferson is a crystalline example).
In the 20th Century; with the onslaught of the likes of Teddy Kennedy and his brethren, as well as LBJ and his "Great Society", and now Hillary; that word has been appropriated by the left as this supposed modicum of tolerance and good intent; but it's meaning is really more likened to the word "statist" or "collectivist".

To claim a dedication to the other side of bureaucratic government is nothing less than political suicide as well as the abdication of one's own self-evident individual rights. One would be just as bad as HE is(he being George W. Bush)

HE goes to war in the name of "freedom" all the while providing less.(Patriot Act et al)
MOORE makes a film claiming to advocate freedom all the while suggesting a transfer of the same power to abuse to another entity which would make us all children of the state.

I am not a child of the state and I refuse to support any side which readily asserts(covertly or overtly) to know the better values to determine the course of my life; whether they be a police-state or a nanny-state.
I will happily be voting for Michael Badnarik because he IS deeply committed to our intrinsic rights and he SHOULD be running our country. To look at it any other way is meaningless and tantamounts to nothing less than self-immolation.

Or one could go along with Michael Moore and his valiant helpers in their use of deception and lies just as China, Russia, Germany, and all other people who believe in regulated,organized, and federally directed "freedom".