mothercanting tom bleed bitch motherfuuuuaaaaaaxccccckkk!!! z
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KHE
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i know your pain... 
but how do you deal with it? i automate the tom-gates a lot because i don`t like cutting the toms free.
but its very annoying if there are some ride-hits after floor-tom-hits, the ride-bleed destroys the nice decay... damn!
but how do you deal with it? i automate the tom-gates a lot because i don`t like cutting the toms free. but its very annoying if there are some ride-hits after floor-tom-hits, the ride-bleed destroys the nice decay... damn!
Uros
Sonic Incision
Sample the toms, and copy one of the samples to wherever you have ride cymbal decay (IME it's usually on the end of the fill).
Just remember to align it with original tom hit in OH tracks (also, listen it, don't just do it visually).
Just remember to align it with original tom hit in OH tracks (also, listen it, don't just do it visually).
Yup. Uros clocked it. Basically for the toms hits that I cannot get away with just gating, I'm dropping in samples. But it's time consuming as all fuck!
amarshism
Member
I feel your pain. I manually cut and fade all my toms. Takes ages but I hate gates and expanding just doesn't do it sometimes.
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
I use Sennheiser e604's. Not the best sounding mics in the world, but never had any problems with cymbal bleed with them.
Trevoire520
Member
This is one of the things that really makes it a struggle to get good sounding metal drums without sample replacement imo. Generally you need to boost quite a bit in the attack region of the drums and this bring up lots of cymbal bleed. I've found blending in a bright tom sample dedicated to giving some attack can help.
mva801
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I try to get rid of most of the bleed with mic placement. I use the ATM25's on toms, which have a pretty tight pattern. But every once in a while there's a drummer who has their ride in the worst possible position, and then I have to get crazy with samples. I also go through and manually cut and fade all my tom tracks. Doesn't take very long for me though...
C_F_H_13
Protools Guru
Toms are the blurst.
I have a 4 prong attack for dealing with them. This is assuming I havn't tracked em....
1- Volume automation: Generally I ride the levels down to -30db or so, and only bring em up for the actual hits. Completely off between hits sounds wierd to me.
2- I duplicate the tom track, and cut everything but the initial 30-100ms of the tom hit. Use that to trigger the reverb so you don't get cymbal wash.
3- Sample replace last hit(s) like everyone else has said.
4- Worst case scenario, I do serious processing with SPL TD4, and make the tom just attack with almost no sustain, then rely on the overheads to fill in the rest, or add samples (not from the kit).
I have a 4 prong attack for dealing with them. This is assuming I havn't tracked em....
1- Volume automation: Generally I ride the levels down to -30db or so, and only bring em up for the actual hits. Completely off between hits sounds wierd to me.
2- I duplicate the tom track, and cut everything but the initial 30-100ms of the tom hit. Use that to trigger the reverb so you don't get cymbal wash.
3- Sample replace last hit(s) like everyone else has said.
4- Worst case scenario, I do serious processing with SPL TD4, and make the tom just attack with almost no sustain, then rely on the overheads to fill in the rest, or add samples (not from the kit).
C_F_H_13
Protools Guru
Oh another thing you can do if you have the inputs/mics/pres (which most of us don't but...), is record bottom tom mics.
They get way less cymbal leakage, and you can always cut the top mic shorter, and let the bottom mic carry the sustain.
I read the dude who does the coverge records does this ....
They get way less cymbal leakage, and you can always cut the top mic shorter, and let the bottom mic carry the sustain.
I read the dude who does the coverge records does this ....
DevonSteelman
Producer/Engineer
With a generous low pass around 6k (since it's a floor tom), a transient designer, and some manual gating, you should be able to get a lot of the bleed out. As a side note, I've had great results using an SM7b on tom's that are ridiculously close to cymbals.
A bit of bleed is workable, but for some reason I think I keep fucking my mic placement up every time I do it. It's not even as if our drummer has a particularly daft setup, he doesn't. Think I'm just using the wrong placement and/or microphone. Might get one of those bleed-blocker things and try it out next time.
crillemannen
Member
IF bleed is a problem then you have miced the kit wrong. You could always replace the toms if it is to late and everything is recorded, or enhance them with samples.
I usually automate my toms in my mixes, raising them when the hit comes with 4db or so. But keep the tom mics in the mix at a all time without any gating etc can give the snare a nice ambience smack sort of. Try to mix drums with the whole perspective. Not only trying to make one mic sound good solo'd
I usually automate my toms in my mixes, raising them when the hit comes with 4db or so. But keep the tom mics in the mix at a all time without any gating etc can give the snare a nice ambience smack sort of. Try to mix drums with the whole perspective. Not only trying to make one mic sound good solo'd
joelplagues
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Uros
Sonic Incision
Drew, if you haven't already (tho I am feeling like stating the obvious), try micing the floor tom with ride cymbal in the floor mic's null point. Of course, if you use cardioid pattern.
Yeah I did do that. Just think the microphone I used doesn't have a particularly large null point - I used a Rode M3. I did mic the floor tom bottom as well, just to fill it out a little. I did mic the kit up as a whole unit, but the floor tom has always been a bit of a weak point for me. The rack toms were perfect. Just needed to use an expander, and job done. No replacement needed.
amarshism
Member
crillemannen
Member
I always recommend the AudioTechnica ATM450 for toms, sounds awesome. and of course Its all about mic placement, tuning etc.
Listen around 0.25 to hear some nice toms: http://studiohaga.net/kidgalahad__drms.mp3
Listen around 0.25 to hear some nice toms: http://studiohaga.net/kidgalahad__drms.mp3
