Mr Toast's guide to Salt Lake (oh, the humanity!)

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In honor of the gals impending trip behind the Zion Curtain (as some of us who have lived there call it), I thought it might be a good idea to brush you up on some local info.

Most live music venues in Utah (the Zephyr included) are private clubs for members only. This is some weird stipulation that the state legislature imposed, for reasons I still do not comprehend. However, membership is apparently bestowed when you purchase the ticket for the gig in question, and I never recall the club management asking anyone if they were a member at the gigs I attended. This gets a little confusing as there are also private private clubs, which do restrict their membership...

Alcohol in Utah (except for beer) is sold by the State liqour store, not by private businesses. Also, the alcohol content is often lower than you may be accustomed to (especially in beer), which is a reason many young adults drive to Evanston Wyoming to buy real beer (and often get busted by the highway patrol on the way back for smuggling alcohol into the state). So don't be suprised if the drinks seem to have less of a kick...

The LDS Church would like you to think that 75%or more of the state consists of practicing Mormons, but in actuality the number of active Mormons is considerably lower. In particular, the Greek Orthodox community makes a pretty strong showing in Salt Lake (the Greek Festival is an annual event with great food). However, if anyone mentions The Church, you can assume that they mean the LDS Church, and if you hear someone refer to a comrade as brother so and so, this usually indicates a church member. And yes, while most are sent out of state on their missions, there are missionaries prowling the streets of Salt Lake as well.

Warning!!! If a local initiates a relationship with one of the Maidens crew, warn them that a request to join the church is a strong possibility in the near future (many of my relationships ended because I wouldn't agree to join the church...).

Continuing on this train of thought, caffiene is on the proscribed list of substances that LDS members are supposed to avoid. However, the church is rumored to have stock in Pepsi, which is interesting to say the least. Thankfully, 7-11 and other convenience stores do carry coffee and soft drinks, despite this fact...

The main LDS Temple is only a few city blocks from the club you are playing at, just to let you know.

As a sidenote, the first Kentucky Fried Chicken ever opened in Salt Lake, and is still open last time I checked (about 33rd South and State Street as I remember). If you thought the first KFC opened in Kentucky, well now you know that is not the case!

Police in Utah are generally more visible, and vigorously enforce local laws. Keep this in mind...

Despite rumors, Polygamy in Utah is ILLEGAL and has been since the time Utah became a state. The LDS Church does not condone polygamy, and those individuals you see in the news practicing polygamy are from splinter groups that have broken off from the main church (and mostly hang out in the rural areas of the state).

The Great Salt Lake is fairly close by (when you fly in to Salt Lake, you may get lucky and fly over the lake just before you land). While this sounds like a cool place to visit, locals usually avoid it due to the smell (salt marsh) and large number of mosquitos... Also, it may be better described as a massive pond, as it only gets about 35 feet deep. That 'mountain' in the middle of the Lake is Antelope Island btw...

BTW, Seagulls live around the Great Salt Lake, and are the state bird. This came about because the seagulls ate a swarm of crickets back when the Mormons first settled here, which saved some crops - this was obviously a sign from Him that the Mormons were loved! Back when I was helping my dad plant/harvest crops, seagulls regularly showed up to eat the bugs I plowed up... but I chalk this up to the local food chain and NOT divine intervention!

The largest open pit copper mine in the United States (at one time the world) is visible in the mountain range to the southwest of Salt Lake, depending on your vantage point (the edges of the pit jut out from the mountainside)...

Speaking of mountains, Salt Lake resides right next to the Wasatch Front (and fault), and is nestled between two mountain ranges. So if you love seeing mountains dominating the skyline, you are in for a treat!

The Bonneville Salt Flats are only about an hour to the west of Salt Lake, but that is about the only thing of interest out in that direction (unless the Tooele Army Depot interests you... they have Chemical/Nerve Gas stored out there).

Hill Air Force Base is less than an hour north of Salt Lake, and is the home of the 388th and 419th tactical fighter wings (F-16 squadrons) among other units. They also have a pretty cool Air Museum...

Back when Utah applied for Statehood (over 100 years ago), they originally wanted to name the place Zion, which the Federal Government disallowed. As I understand, the local Indian tribes (The Goshute and Piute), referred to the local region as Hatu (weatherman Mark Eubank mentioned the Hatu winds often when referring to lake effect precipitation). Note that Hatu is Utah spelled backwards...

Street names are actually not that common in Utah. While some streets are named, most are referred to simply by a number - for example: The Zephyr is on 3rd South and West Temple. As you might guess, West Temple passes by the west side of the LDS Temple. So, addresses such as 39th South and 7th East are very common... and this makes driving around the city very easy. Just remember that 'South' means South of the Temple, East is East of the Temple, and West is West of the Temple. Other cities use this system too, but center the grid on other landmarks...

I wish I had some more amusing things to share, but my memories of Utah are not particularly amusing... which is why I moved to Tennessee!

I'll get the Katagory V forum peeps in here so they can add their thoughts.

Mr Toast is experiencing disagreeable flashbacks at the moment... must find that happy place inside...
o_O
 
:lol:
you can defiantly tell MR. Toast is a Utah native!

Alcohol in Utah (except for beer) is sold by the State liqour store, not by private businesses. Also, the alcohol content is often lower than you may be accustomed to (especially in beer), which is a reason many young adults drive to Evanston Wyoming to buy real beer (and often get busted by the highway patrol on the way back for smuggling alcohol into the state). So don't be suprised if the drinks seem to have less of a kick...

The funny thing about this is that everytime we go out of Utah for a show, we are extremely careful on our Beer consumption, as it can make us Utahns pretty loopy after two or three beers. You can also pruchase high-point beer (what we call the normal beer for those outside of Utah) on the Hill Air Force Base commisary..if you have base I.D. :Spin: Evanston, Wy is not onoly a great place to by the real beer, but is also Utah's porno distributor. :tickled: the Utah beer alcohol content level is 3.2% where as it is 6% or more everwhere else. the State claims the lower level due to our altitude, which is a bunch of hooey!

The LDS Church would like you to think that 75%or more of the state consists of practicing Mormons, but in actuality the number of active Mormons is considerably lower.

Yes, especially in Salt Lake City itself. A majority of the active mormons are north or south of the city in the smaller out-of-the way towns, and commute in for sunday confrence every few months... like a horde of locust!!! LDS church buildings are like 7-elevens here, their on every street practicly, I've got two within 3 blocks of my house.

Continuing on this train of thought, caffiene is on the proscribed list of substances that LDS members are supposed to avoid. However, the church is rumored to have stock in Pepsi, which is interesting to say the least. Thankfully, 7-11 and other convenience stores do carry coffee and soft drinks, despite this fact...

I always find this one to be funny. 85% or more of the LDS faith still consume caffiene by way of soft drinks, yet chastise anyone who drinks coffee... ahhhh, Hypocricy at it's best! :loco:


As a sidenote, the first Kentucky Fried Chicken ever opened in Salt Lake, and is still open last time I checked (about 33rd South and State Street as I remember). If you thought the first KFC opened in Kentucky, well now you know that is not the case!

This is true too! This particluar KFC is about 3 blocks from our studio!


Despite rumors, Polygamy in Utah is ILLEGAL and has been since the time Utah became a state. The LDS Church does not condone polygamy, and those individuals you see in the news practicing polygamy are from splinter groups that have broken off from the main church (and mostly hang out in the rural areas of the state).

There are actualy a few Po-lig's (Utah slang for polygamists :) ) in the Salt Lake valley... but stay well hidden and are quite reclusive. Most own large buisness, or usualy work in trades like welding or fabricating metal, some do rebuilding or wholsale buisness. A majority of them use this as their income and employ some of their family with out pay or little pay as an obligation to support the large family. In fact, about a block from where I work, there is a building owned by the Kingston clan, which deals in resturaunt equipment and by day is a lagitamate buisness and on sundays...a church house! Ironicly this isn't far from the worlds frist KFC! :lol:

Speaking of mountains, Salt Lake resides right next to the Wasatch Front (and fault), and is nestled between two mountain ranges. So if you love seeing mountains dominating the skyline, you are in for a treat!

The mountains here are unlike any others in the country...even Colorado doesn't compete in my opinion! Everyone I have ever meet that has been to Utah would say the mountains are like a picture ona postcard! Not to mention... the skiing is by far the best here!

The Great Salt Lake is fairly close by (when you fly in to Salt Lake, you may get lucky and fly over the lake just before you land). While this sounds like a cool place to visit, locals usually avoid it due to the smell (salt marsh) and large number of mosquitos... Also, it may be better described as a massive pond, as it only gets about 35 feet deep. That 'mountain' in the middle of the Lake is Antelope Island btw...

I remember Scott Ian's reaction to the lake when they played Saltaire (a venue located on the shores of the great Salt Lake... and is the only thing out there for 10 miles in either direction!). the guys in Anthrax had been riding the bumber cars in front of the venue, and it was a nice clear and calm day... and then the wind pickd up off the lake and it was like a stench even I had never smelled living here my whole life! Scott got off the bumber car while the other guys giggled and gaged at the smell. He looked at us and said "fffFFFFFFUCK! ... (gags) does this place supply gas mask for the out of towners!? :lol::lol::lol: We we're all laughing our arses off as they retreted into the bus!

The Bonneville Salt Flats are only about an hour to the west of Salt Lake, but that is about the only thing of interest out in that direction (unless the Tooele Army Depot interests you... they have Chemical/Nerve Gas stored out there).

yeah...pretty scary stuff to be close to the disposal plant o_O
The Salt Flats are the largest dry lake bed in the united states, and have been the favorite for filming music videos, commercials and movies! 30 min. past the salt flats is Wendover, NV... the best place for us Utahns to lose our paycheck!

Utah actualy kicks ass, even if it's a bit quircky in it's laws and some of it's poulation status. I have to admit, I have been all over the U.S. and even though Utah as a whole is a bit strange and backwards, I have been in TOWNS in other states that are far worse!:tickled:

I think you all will enjoy your visit here, and if there is anything we can do to help make your stay more enjoyable over the time you are here, do not hesitate to ask for our assistance! :Spin: any questions? ask away!

\m/
Dustin

NP: Elegy - State of Mind
 
Mr Toast said:
Warning!!! If a local initiates a relationship with one of the Maidens ' crew, warn them that a request to join the church is a strong possibility in the near future (many of my relationships ended because I wouldn't agree to join the church...).

o_O

Our only single crew member making the trip is a Satanist...if some hot LDS chick can convert him....this I gotta see.
:loco:
:OMG:
 
Bruce Chickinson said:
Our only single crew member making the trip is a Satanist...if some hot LDS chick can convert him....this I gotta see.
:loco:
!:OMG:

Not happening. Trust me. I don't care how hot she is...there's no poontang that's going to change my opinions on religion, thank God. :saint:
 
thanks for the heads up, sounds like an interesting place....i'm definately looking forward to seeing the mountains...and what is this LSD church you're talking about
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no wonder Toast is having flashbacks. :Spin:
 
Dustin said:
:lol:
you can defiantly tell MR. Toast is a Utah native!

<snip>

The Salt Flats are the largest dry lake bed in the united states, and have been the favorite for filming music videos, commercials and movies! 30 min. past the salt flats is Wendover, NV... the best place for us Utahns to lose our paycheck!

\m/
Dustin

NP: Elegy - State of Mind

Quite a few land speed records were set on the salt flats back in the day. Teams still head out there every year to try out their latest vehicles, and someday I may try to witness this. Turbine powered cars... mmmmm!

Also, some scenes for the sci fi thriller The Core were filmed in Wendover. Another notable movie is Independence Day (the mountainside that the alien ship crashes into is easily recognizable to those who have made the Wendover drive a few times...).

Oh, and let's not forget that concrete tree sculpture thingie that the state had built on the side of the interstate (at about the midway point of the salt flats) to make the drive more interesting...

Speaking of movies, a good portion of Stephen King's The Stand was filmed in Utah. There is one stretch of road that was used which I traveled on fairly frequently when I was hauling equipment around the Salt Lake valley. There is a bridge in the background of the shot (which is how I ID'ed the location), but you can't see the nearby mountains as the road travels downhill - so you only see sky behind the bridge. And the scene that is supposed to be a midwestern town (Oklahoma/Kansas-ish) looks very similar to the main street in Magna Utah (which is not far from the road I mentioned above), so I'm almost positive it was filmed here as well. Pretty crafty those filmmakers!

Minimurray said:
thanks for the heads up, sounds like an interesting place....i'm definately looking forward to seeing the mountains...and what is this LSD church you're talking about no wonder Toast is having flashbacks.

I think I had too much LDS in the latter third of the 20th century... I moved to Tennessee go see how the other half of the country lived, and except for the lack of a decent Metal scene it has been quite interesting. It took me a while to get used to complete strangers striking up innocent conversations regularly (at the store and such) - people in general are so much more open and friendly here! In my experience, Utahns are by comparison more reserved, and more 'whiny' in some situations (a trait I sometimes catch myself falling back into). Also, while I am at the top stitch of the bible belt, this is mitigated by the fact that there are quite a few different churches prevalent, not just Southern Baptist/Presbyterian. Greater Clarksville even has an LDS ward or two (a far cry from the 5+ LDS Wards within a mile of my mom's place in Utah).

Also, long haired guys with leather jackets are a lot more common (and readily accepted) here. We even have some really cool biker clubs (Bikers Who Care, Ladies Of The Wind, and others) that are very involved in the community. Not too long ago a well respected police chief died, and it was kind of strange seeing the bikers redirecting traffic on some major streets (so that the policemen who would otherwise have done that could attend the service).

But enough about Tennessee, we are talking about Utah here!
 
Nobody seems to notice that Mormon is one letter removed from moron. Take it FWIW.

I take somebody who calls himself/herself a satanist about as seriously as I take Mormons & Scientologists.
 
I just remembered an interesting movie...

SLC Punk. It is a story about a guy and his friends hanging about the Salt Lake punk rock scene back in the '80s. This movie is a little over the top, but only just barely (from what I remember of those days). Should you get a chance to rent/see this, it gives you an interesting glimpse of the Utah Establishment and those who rebel against it...
 
feralkid said:
Nobody seems to notice that Mormon is one letter removed from moron. Take it FWIW.

I take somebody who calls himself/herself a satanist about as seriously as I take Mormons & Scientologists.

It's funny you bring this up! From what I understand, the word mormon is very close to the word moromo which is a demon that guards the gates of hell in Chinese mythology :ill: I have heard from local missionaries that some have been chased out of parts of villages in china when they say they are Mormon, becasue of the locals thinking they are calling themselves the very demon itself!!! :tickled:

Ironcly, the term "moron" tends to be used amongst us non-mormons on occasion, but the proper slang in Utah to describe the relegious zelots is "mo-mo" :lol:

\m/
Dustin
 
MiniMurray said:
thanks for the heads up, sounds like an interesting place....i'm definately looking forward to seeing the mountains...and what is this LSD church you're talking about
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no wonder Toast is having flashbacks. :Spin:

:lol::lol::lol:

oh that's rich!!!:tickled:

now that you say it like that, it reminds me of the opposite statement made by Cap'n Kirk in Star Trek IV....

Biologist: "what's his problem?"

Kirk: "oh him?" points at spock, "he um... did to much LDS...."

Biologist: "LDS????"

hehehe... I think he meant LSD? I love that part!

\m/
Dustin
 
feralkid said:
I take somebody who calls himself/herself a satanist about as seriously as I take Mormons & Scientologists.

That's okay. I just killfile people that discount what I have to say just because of my religious beliefs. :Smug:

Don't bother replying. You're being ignored. :loco:
 
I'm a little late on this thread, but here's my perspective...

Being raised LDS and being surrounded by friends and family that are practicing Mormons. I think I might have a different take on this whole thing. Yes, I drink, smoke, had the long hair, earings, and consider myself somewhat agnostic. I haven't felt persecuted or looked down upon by most the people I run into. Sure, there are the uptight types, but you just take it with a grain of salt (we got plenty). :)

As far as the lack of metal goes in this state. I blame that more or lesson the ultra hip frat types and neo hippies that go to the U and write for the City Weekly. I mean, how much more folk, alt, techno and bluegrass do we need anyway?

Then there's the scenery:

Where else can you go from big, beautiful mountains to stunning desert red rock cliffs in a matter of a few hours. It's worth putting up with the little quirks of this state to be able to enjoy some of the greatest geographical diversity on the planet. I absolutley love it here!

Marc

PS. Looking forward to the show! \m/\m/
 
I tend to disregard people who are high and mighty over their religion, regardless. Understand, not everyone shares your beleifs and those who don't aren't all going to look down on you. We aren't all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Satanists, Mormons, 7th day Adventists, Bhuddists, etc... I can live around whatever you are, do me the respect of giving me the same courtesy.
 
To whom are you addressing your post, Snausages?

My irritation was caused by someone who obviously has no clue as to what it is that I follow or believe. A little research into the subject would have helped their stance, but that requires work which many people seem too lazy to do.

I don't expect (or want, for that matter) people to follow or think the way I do. If they did, I'd get bored with them real fast. :Spin:
 
Anyone who looks down on another's beliefs. What you follow and/ or believe is your choice not mine, or anyone else's. I don't pretend to know all about what anyone else believes. No one should. I'm not what you are, you're not what he is, he's not what she is, and she's not what I am. But we're all people. Let's all agree at that level and carry on. And besdies, this WASN'T a religious thread anyway!
 
My irritation was caused by someone who obviously has no clue as to what it is that I follow or believe. A little research into the subject would have helped their stance, but that requires work which many people seem too lazy to do.

Someone let this guy know he's wrong in his assumption of the extent of my knowledge. :Spin:
 
Mr Toast said:
Alcohol in Utah (except for beer) is sold by the State liqour store, not by private businesses. Also, the alcohol content is often lower than you may be accustomed to (especially in beer), which is a reason many young adults drive to Evanston Wyoming to buy real beer (and often get busted by the highway patrol on the way back for smuggling alcohol into the state). So don't be suprised if the drinks seem to have less of a kick...

Continuing on this train of thought, caffiene is on the proscribed list of substances that LDS members are supposed to avoid. However, the church is rumored to have stock in Pepsi, which is interesting to say the least. Thankfully, 7-11 and other convenience stores do carry coffee and soft drinks, despite this fact...

note to self:

self, dont go to utah