my songs sound rubbish in itunes

New update of itunes that came out today failed to fix the stupid hang issue I have.

All well it's not like I am switching, I really do like the software. It's just a minor issue I have.

I do have a beef with the iTunes store though, what I piece of shit. I consider DRM or any other copy protection to be the UTMOST disrespect to a consumer. You actually have the decentcy to buy the music and they treat you like some tool who is a thief. That and the quality is garbage. Fuck the iTunes music store.
 
People who are condescending towards others regarding unintuitive software that is a nuisance when used with default settings are really not fun-- really:Smug:

The obnoxious overzealous defence of software that is not universally enamoured... is priceless. And laughable:lol:

Get over it dude. Not everyone is infatuated with your beloved :notworthyiTunes.
YES!! Bring it Dave!! that's what i'm talkin' about!...

:rock:

now, excitement over .... so peel on back to page one and you'll see that i set up a "bring it by-atches" type of challenge.. meant to simply be a fun exercise in seeing what people think iTunes can't do... and see if could show them that it can. You're the one that bounced in spitting acid... good thing for you it wasn't a spelling bee though. :)

So, let's pretend i was ever as hopped up about this issue as you clearly are and seem to think i am...... 'cuz i'm bout's-ta destroy your gripes.. one by one.... then set them on fire....


then rape them





and then set them on fire again....


:lol:


You do realize that I won't feel compelled to dig through options when I already have something that works the way I want it to. I just need a player, not a fucking music organizing jukebox
then why did you ever even try iTunes?... especially since its marketed as a "music organizing jukebox"??

In walks iTunes--fucker is launching by itself and looks like it's open after I just closed it. I use so many programs that I will never read the manual for all of them. Seriously a music playing app should be intuitive and not even need a manual. Although I did have to read it to get a CD burned since it was not very obvious to me. The first disc I burned turned out to be mp3s when I was simply trying to burn my wav files. BTW, the version I installed (many moons ago) certainly did NOT ask if I wanted to change file extensions. Maybe the newest version is better.
when you installed it you clearly failed to pay attention to the opening prompts... it asks you if you want it to be a start-up item and it asks you if you want it to associate all of it's relevant file types to iTunes automatically, and it asks you if you want it to seek out and find all the relevant file types and add them... etc etc... and it has done so since the fist version on both Mac and PC and as pretty much every other consumer media app does. I"ve been using it on both platforms and installed it numerous times on both as well. it always asks on that first launch. you likely either just clicked "ok" to each without reading, or someone else set it up. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... i'm cool like that. :lol:

It does pay to pay attention though, and read a bit... though i never actually read the manual myself, nor has most people i think.. because it actually is quite intuitive and easy to figure out. And setting preferences for any audio app that may be used in the course of an AE doing his job is a NORMAL task.. not some gargantuan "out-of-your-way" effort like you're making out.... and the CD importing & Burning options are right there, in those prefs. it's common sense... and btw, iTunes does not convert files you've added from your computer.. it just imports them with no conversion at all, and doesn't change anything.

Not trying to start a war since I can clearly see that James is very emotionally attached to iTunes...
wait... i thought being condescending was bad?, lol... i'm confused..... cuz you do the "C"-thang so very well... a little bit 'o the ol' pot callin' the kettle black. my favorite. :cool:


Should I really have to change a crapload of settings just to play my audio files the way they are supposed to sound? The reality is that my clients are referencing bounces that I send to them with their Macs. I guess I have to teach all of my clients how to turn off a myriad of default settings to hear the ACTUAL mix.
Myriad... Crapload..... those are good words, but it's actually only 2.. Sound Check and Sound Enhancer, and they are in the same panel, Playback, of the preferences dialog. EQ is off by default. takes 5 seconds to disable them.

That's the thing with programs, if they leave a bad first impression, even when they improve, most people will not use it again if it has left a bad taste in their mouth.
Yes.. exactly... and since more and more people use iTunes all the time and stick with it... it's obviously not that type of app. what it is , is a simple to use jukebox, organizer, converter for the masses... that most people who just wanna listen to music can use right "out of the box" and never think twice about it.... and which the "smart, cool AE's" with big-shot internships at project studios running sophisticated programs like Sonar and Pro Tools can certainly figure out how to set-up so that all the consumer shit is turned off.... or they can just opt to use something else. Somehow though many of the truly "big-shot" AE's around the world do just fine with iTunes... surely it's the same program in Camarillo as it is everywhere else. but hey, no one cares if you use something else, least of all me.Shit, i use Quicktime as much as i do iTunes. Be Like Mike, and Just Do It.

and yes, i was being condescending... as fuck.... this time.... and speaking truth.

for the record.. i don't work for apple and i don't care if you use or like iTunes or not.... it's just a player at the end of the day. i like it..... and this has indeed been fun.


-ish.


:kickass:
 
people who complain about software for which they have neither opened and set-up the basic preferences dialog, nor read a single help topic... much less paid attention to the initial prompts that pop up the first time the software is launched... are fun. really.

the vitriol spewed about a function or process that they could easily disable... is priceless.

Fuck that - it should read my mind and do exactly as I want, when I want it, no questions asked. Goddamn, that's like that one time I bought a car, and it wouldn't drive, and the fuckers had the gall to tell me I had to switch gears - the bastards! I'm pushing the gas pedal and looking backwards, it should *KNOW* I want to go in reverse! Sweet Raptor Jesus, the nerve of some people...


Jeff
 
Nevertheless there's another thing that bugs me a little bit about iTunes. It's not something I would expect as given by any software but it would be nice: Say one chose to have is music library in AAC. Now he wants to burn MP3-CDs for his car system that doesn't support AAC. Boing, not possible unless you manually convert AAC to MP3. He could use iTunes to do that but wouldn't it be nice if the Software just temporarly converted the files, burned the cd and deleted the MP3s again? After all there is no need for a second (MP3) version of any file in ones library.
I have thought about this countless times. This feature would be enough for me to put money into Itunes.
Well, maybe iJames ;) has a solution for our problem!?
 
Well, maybe iJames ;) has a solution for our problem!?
i think if they actually started adding things like this it really would become a bloated program... and i honestly don't think very many people want this... i mean, most people just switch their import prefs to MP3 and their whole library is in MP3 format, easy. i prefer AAC myself though, but i also have no desire to listen to compressed formats in my car unless i'm hooking up my iPod to it's car connector (direct link to the car stereo and then the car's audio controls "take over" the iPod). i just use Toast to make mirror images of my actual CD's... so i'm listening in full res in my car if i'm playing a CD (and also this way i don't risk damaging or losing my actual CDs)... i think there's a danger implicit in the potential next generation of AE's doing too much casual listening in compressed formats.

so.. having said all that, there is a way... and it's only a time-saver if you do a shitload of this type of "temporary converting" (i don't recommend it though because encoding a lossy codec from another lossy codec does not yeild the best sounding result.... i'd never double encode, myself.. and this may be part of why Apple doesn't include the functionality to do what you're describing.)... but if you feel you must do what you've described, and you do a fuck-ton of it, Apple does provide a utility for automating repetitive tasks in OSX, for Apple applications. It's called Automator, and there are tutorials under it's Help Menu. if you're on a PC you can always use pretty much any Macro program you have on hand. All the functions are there in iTunes, just not chained together... and "chains" like that are really the realm of macro/automation utilities.

seriously though, just get a car dock and an iPod.... then you can listen to AAC's in your car until you crash from paying more attention to navigating playlists than navigating the road. :zombie: ... j/k, i haven't crashed doing it.



yet.
 
I've had Winamp rape wave files before. It isn't the sound file, it is something wrong with the program and I never did figure it out. I just don't play wave files in winamp on certain computers. Works fine on this one I think, though. It probably depends on your hardware or something.

I did notice that when you have music on an iPod, it does shift things around oddly anyway. Like it has some kind of lame stereo enhancer or something.
 
For all you windows users, Foobar is the hands-down champion IMO.

Not a library-type app, just a good audio player, still capable of playlists, plays everything, and doesn't rape anyone.
 
Hello fellas

Some big misconceptions here

Windows media player and Itunes dont playback differently if the settings are null

An mp3 is an mp3. There is no code to execute differently and there is nothing the player has to do but let it run.

The player has zero sound---or have you not yet grasped the concept of digital music? :) Because this is its prime attribute. If an mp3 file is being run ..it will sound identical on any player unless you have some processing checked.

One other note that I **dont think applies to the question but is interesting to know...

Great mixes survive all the way down to 128 mp3's and still sound halfway decent. Think about this..how many times do you hear a novice say that his mix sounded good in the DAW but now it stinks because we have to account for the Mp3. Nonsense. Mp3 just revealed the fidelity of the mix was subpar to begin with. An analogy would be--2 pictures look the same on the monitor..but when both are enlarged--on is revealed to have half the resolution and shows huge pixels. Not a perfect analogy because this is usually not about resolution but quality of the recorded sounds, gear used, eq moves, and mix choices.

But the point remains--a great mix can survive being altered. Take any great mix into your DAW and play with the EQ. You'll see it still sounds good. A subpar mix will usually come apart under the same conditions because in essence, it was ducktaped together. This is why a lot of stuff on the internet sounds like crap. A guy thinks it matches his reference mix but when other people listen, on their playback systems(thus altering its EQ), the mix comes apart revealing it had no depth.
 
hi Phase, thanks for the thoughts...

a couple things.... i'm pretty sure no one suggested that any of the players sounded intrinsically different with null settings. that particular point was just not discussed in the thread beyond the thread-starter's opening post, after which he was told to turn off the processing. after that the discussion focused purely on the convenience of use, which is subjective opinion of course, but that didn't stop us... lol. anyway, "big misconceptions here" doesn't really apply beyond the thread-starter, and he was helped out on that one straight away. reagarding, "have you not yet grasped the concept of digital music?", watch out with the condescension, or our buddy Mr. Escobar just might call you out on it.... i'd personally never be so gauche. honest. :Saint:

i agree with you that a great mix sounds great even as a low quality mp3.... relatively speaking, i. e., a great mix from a given album will sound just as good encoded as a 128 mp3 as will the other mixes from that same album at the same encoding rate and will stand up to other great mixes from other albums at the same encoding rate... and while I certainly agree that a great mix at 128 will sound better than a shit mix at full res, i know you can't be suggesting that there are no detrimental effects to the encoding... even novices can hear how fucked the top end and lows get in a mix encoded that low. but yeah, your mix should still sound good, relatively, when encoded as an mp3. it's true that it's not an excuse, but simply making a statement to the effect of ,"the encoding fucked it up a bit", is not untrue... becuase encoding as an mp3 does fuck sound up.... which is why i avoid much casual listening to compressed formats unless i'm traveling. I think you mean to say though that if a mix is good it will still be good at 128, relative to other good mixes at 128... but i think this is obvious to most folks here... even the one's that have occasionally used this "excuse"... lol.
 
iTunes and the iPod are a Godsend.

All there is to it.


Hey, I love my iPod. There's nothing better than loading up a set of current mixes & heading off to my day job, notepad in hand. 8 hours on an assembly line everyday is a wonderful opportunity to analyze mixes.
The end of the day comes, it's back into the studio, consult the day's notes and go to work ...it really cuts down on the guessing games.

I still dislike iTunes, however. No two way transfers off the iPod really irks me.

That's my story & I'm sticking to it. I have no desire to argue the point with Mr. Murphy. I learned along time ago that it's about as futile as shooting bullets at the sun :lol::lol::lol:
 
Hey, after dealing with some of the music players I've endured over the years, iTunes is a walk in the freaking park compared to what I've had over the years...

Also, it's kind of weird to be in a forum with James Murphy seeing as how I played the bejesus out of The Gathering when I was 17 and used that as my reference for what metal should sound like as opposed to the crap my previous bandmates wanted to do hahahahaha
 
I still dislike iTunes, however. No two way transfers off the iPod really irks me.

That's my story & I'm sticking to it. I have no desire to argue the point with Mr. Murphy. I learned along time ago that it's about as futile as shooting bullets at the sun :lol::lol::lol:
ah, you've learned your lessons well then i see.... :heh: , lol


but there's only one reason to ever need to transfer music from your iPod... and that's if you are actually giving it to others and taking it from others... you are a bad man Mr. Fricker... :lol:
 
ah, you've learned your lessons well then i see.... :heh: , lol


but there's only one reason to ever need to transfer music from your iPod... and that's if you are actually giving it to others and taking it from others... you are a bad man Mr. Fricker... :lol:


Yes, even a hard-headed guy like me can learn a thing or two...


As for the transfer thing, actually, I use it to periodically back things up. Just "Select all" dump it onto a drive & burn a couple of DVD's. No worries, & perfectly legal under Canadian Copyright laws. I like having that safety net in case I destroy my iPod at work or something like that.
 
i keep two mirrored FW drives for my library.. and actually my library is much larger than my 80GB iPod.... and before anyone makes any smart remarks , yes.. i do own the CD's and/or VInyls that make up my library's contents.... :lol: