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Originally posted by Lina


AND WHY DOES OPETH ALWAYS GIVE KATATONIA SO MUCH PRAISE????? Katatonia is like the antithesis of Opeth -- Jonas can't sing, the music is repetitive and predictable. Even Katatonia fans admit all this -- they like them because they're so depressing. I would think they're everything Opeth is trying NOT to be!

A little rant there. :bah:
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Maybe they are just good friends and respect each other. Or maybe it is pity from the members of Opeth. :D
 
martin the drummer. and look-he was excited about his copy of last fair deal gone down. he wanted to hear it, he actually ran to the bus to get it when he saw opethinfinity's car had a cd player. and martin and i talked about it and sang with it, talked about favorite songs and shit the entire time that joint was burning. opeth gives katatonia so much praise because they recognize talented musicians and songwriters. mikeal says they are the best band in metal. and he chose them for their tour. thats not pity, or friendly ass kissing thats a fact.

and jonas can and does sing! and theres even proof out there! theres like 8 or so albums he sings on! (<---- sarcasim)

ok- there are a lot singers out there with distinct voices that just rub some people the wrong way (johnny cash, billy corgan, jeff buckley, tori amos, lenoard cohen, so on and so forth)- just because you dont like it doesnt make you some expert on if its good or not. its just your opinion, and you should recognize that before you go and insult someone/a whole band who has sold a lot more albums than you have.

the music is repetitive and predictable
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its not that they couldnt make more technical music-its that they make the music they want to make. i dont always find katatonia so depressing. i like them because theyre amazing, they change and experiement around more than opeth, theres increadible - oh hell. i dont even think its worth describing to you. i hope you never buy a katatonia cd, because you obviously lack the depth and intellegence required to get it.
 
Originally posted by Evisceratrix
ok- there are a lot singers out there with distinct voices that just rub some people the wrong way (johnny cash, billy corgan, jeff buckley, tori amos, lenoard cohen, so on and so forth)- just because you dont like it doesnt make you some expert on if its good or not. its just your opinion, and you should recognize that before you go and insult someone/a whole band who has sold a lot more albums than you have.

its not that they couldnt make more technical music-its that they make the music they want to make. i dont always find katatonia so depressing. i like them because theyre amazing, they change and experiement around more than opeth, theres increadible - oh hell. i dont even think its worth describing to you. i hope you never buy a katatonia cd, because you obviously lack the depth and intellegence required to get it.
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Wow. Feisty little thing, aren't you? Well, chill out. No need for the insults.

Let me point out that by your own reasoning, I'm entitled to my opinion that they aren't very good. And nothing I said was an insult to you. Apparently you're the Katatonia ambassador though. And actually, I didn't even go into the fact that I don't like Katatonia in the initial post that got you so mad. I merely said they're the opposite of Opeth...which they still are.

So now I'll explain.

I think LFDGD has some pretty good songs on it. And I've made the distinction many times on here that people have different opinions about music but that there are ways to analyze a group's music. For instance, yes, it's true that different voices strike people differently -- it's a fact that Jonas' voice is often flat, but hey, I understand that some people think it fits the music perfectly, and I even agree that it does. I just don't like it when singers aren't on the right note.

And I also said that the music is repetitive....BECAUSE IT IS. That's not rocket science. Every song of Katatonia's is built around those droning eighth notes. Yes, it definitely conveys a feeling...it's just a feeling that makes me bored.

You said they change and experiment more than Opeth. You mean like going from metal to pop? I'm curious how you could make that statement. I certainly wouldn't say Katatonia is more original that Opeth. In fact, I've NEVER heard a Katatonia fan make this claim, so I'm quite interested.

At any rate, we can respectfully disagree. No need to insult my intelligence when you've been on the board all of a week or so.

p.s. -- the whole "you can't judge them because they've sold more albums than you" is just ridiculous. by that reasoning, how can you say they are good musicians? i thought only britney spears is allowed to decide that.
 
"i dont always find katatonia so depressing. i like them because theyre amazing, they change and experiement around more than opeth..."

:err:
This is no time for exaggerations, women! :p

"i dont even think its worth describing to you. i hope you never buy a katatonia cd, because you obviously lack the depth and intellegence required to get it."

Well, we all know how some people get when defending their beloved favorites. I've gotten hot under the collar when I've heard people talking down about Opeth. I mean, angry! But, that was before I accepted that everyone in the world doesn't like them like I do. Now, an opinion is just that...an opinion!

Katatonia! I really like their repetitive sound. I've always called their music "simple sounding" but that doesn't mean that it's simple...but, sometimes I honestly believe it is. I think Opeth always give Katatonia so much praise (besides the possibility of them actually loving it) is maybe they're such good friends and they want to be what good friends are to each other. They want to "get there" together. Whoever gets to that level of fame first...brings (praises) the other. Share the wealth.

I don't know. That's just my opinion.
 
That is a cool tattoo - If i was going to get a tattoo, I'd strongly consider something like that.

I mean, I woudln't want a band name or a retarded quote, but the Opeth "O" just looks cool - and it means something to those who know.

I think the shoulder is a much better place for it than on the forearm though...
 
you and some others insutled all katatonia fans, even opeth themselves, by implying that its either friendship, pity, depression or bad musical taste that motivates their fans to like them.

i dont care if you dont like katatonia-i was irked by your blatant insults towards them and sure, i got vindictive, and im sorry...but most of all, what your post was about and what i got pissed about was the issue of what OPETH thinks about katatonia, and why people cant get it through their heads that maybe they just fucking love the music, like they say they do.

i never said you werent entitled to your opinion. im sure you are totally aware that the statement "jonas cant sing" is your opinion. but saying "it's a fact that Jonas' voice is often flat, but hey, I understand that some people think it fits the music perfectly, and I even agree that it does. I just don't like it when singers aren't on the right note. " is a much more constructive and generally better way to put it. mentioning that katatonia has sold more albums than you was just a way for me to assert that i felt they deserved a bit more respect than that.
and i think that all accomplished musicians do deserve some respect...even the aforementioned britney spears. because actually im not the katatonia ambassador-i am the britney spears ambassador-and it was just unreasonable for you to go and insult her! she deserves respect too- because shes got a great ass. through her music, her fine ass reaches and affects millions of people in the world.
so you leave britney out of this.
:heh:
 
evisceratrix, thanks for responding calmly. :)

i've just always wondered how two bands that have such completely opposite visions of "good music" can still LOVE each other's music the way they claim to. didn't mean to insult anyone...it's just a question i would love to pose to mikael. i've always thought it's for the reasons opet mentioned -- because they're friends. but i keep reading and hearing all these things that imply it's a true musical respect, which confuses me since I think they're such different bands (and both seem quite opinionated about "good music"). so who knows? certainly sounds like martin likes them. ;) (i'm still jealous about that, by the way).

i'll mention that i do really like jonas' death vocals...but i guess they've gotten away from that. i don't HATE them. i just get annoyed that everyone who likes opeth automatically likes katatonia, just because they're friends. obviously this isn't the case with you at all, i just get annoyed that they're always mentioned in the same breath when they're so different.

and now i'm rambling. :p anyway, truce.

p.s. EVIL -- it's funny that you mentioned lacuna coil because i was thinking of that band to back up a point i was going to make about decifering "factually good music" from music i just happen to like, that just happens to move me. i love lacuna coil, but i would never claim they're the best at anything. opeth, on the other hand, is.
 
KatatonicNny did I get it right? you have the same tattoo twice?I mean the Opeth O is really nice and surely a cool tattoo, but two of them on the body?

By the way, I'm tattooed aswell and I'll still like it with 70!!! I have it for 15 years now and haven't regret it a single second! It's a part of me, a part of my lifestyle...
 
The tattoo is really cool! Was it opeth who designed it themselves? Artists in the full meaning of the word! In November Katatonia and Opeth are coming to Belgium! The concert got postponed a couple of times, so I'm really anxious to see them.
We'll take pictures. If they're any good, I'll share them.:loco:

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Have fun and make much metal. Please don't take things as seriously as I do...
Or think I do. It will just give you a headache. And in the end it's just another opinion.
Thank you, Good night. -Devin Townsend
 
Originally posted by Lina
EVIL -- it's funny that you mentioned lacuna coil because i was thinking of that band to back up a point i was going to make about decifering "factually good music" from music i just happen to like, that just happens to move me. i love lacuna coil, but i would never claim they're the best at anything. opeth, on the other hand, is.
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Exactly my point. Too bad I didn't see this post edit before, for I erased the last post (which was too vulgar even for me, muhahaha. Besides I feel B spears is not that pretty- in fact she's looking a bit emaciated lately. A few things: her abs are getting overdeveloped. Her neck like her abs are getting too wide. Her chest is rather frail- ever since she had those silly implants removed. Her legs are decent. The best part about her is the small of her back. yeah her back side very nice.....er... down boy down! ;))

Anyway, it's interesting to distinguish between music that's "personally good" from music that is "factually good." The latter is a concept that would startle people.
 
Originally posted by E V I L

Anyway, it's interesting to distinguish between music that's "personally good" from music that is "factually good." The latter is a concept that would startle people.
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This is true. It's a point I've attempted to make before, that there are bands that I like because they are amazingly good, and others that aren't that I just happen to like anyways. I like System of a Down. If somebody said they're not very good, I'd be hard-pressed to argue, but like them nonetheless. However, I'd accept those opinions without challenge. Oddly enough, I'd define Frank Zappa as "factually good", yet if people said he wasn't, I'd accept that as well because I can acknowledge that they simply can't understand it.

"factually good" is still kinda an oxymoron as goodness of art is inherently subjective, but I can mentally make a distinction to myself what I like because I think it's good and what I like simply because I like it.
 
lina-
no, thank you for forgiving me. haha im on day 6 of my attempt at quitting smoking (which doenst mean i havent had a cigarette in six days....i think ive had like 3 in the past six days...whatever!) and i have been quite unstable! its certainly no excuse-but im sure its a contributing factor to this bitch mode im in.

ahhh! so i got home and read up on this thread and i have to mention, i really freaked out tonight at work (i work in a cd store. its coorporate as hell sadly). this dude who has previously mentioned only metallica, slipknot, fear factory and similar bands came up and asked if we had any lacuna coil! i about fell over, really...; ). it made my night a slightly better one.
 
Originally posted by HoserHellspawn


This is true. It's a point I've attempted to make before, that there are bands that I like because they are amazingly good, and others that aren't that I just happen to like anyways. I like System of a Down. If somebody said they're not very good, I'd be hard-pressed to argue, but like them nonetheless. However, I'd accept those opinions without challenge. Oddly enough, I'd define Frank Zappa as "factually good", yet if people said he wasn't, I'd accept that as well because I can acknowledge that they simply can't understand it.

"factually good" is still kinda an oxymoron as goodness of art is inherently subjective, but I can mentally make a distinction to myself what I like because I think it's good and what I like simply because I like it.
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What if all the music we call "crap" is actually genius? And the simplicity and short 'impressionism' of such music- what if they are actually representative of a revolution in art? hmmm....:err:
 
Evisceratrix: Nice tatoo! Really! Why can´t there be any goodlokkin´Opeth fans in Gothenburg? We´ve only got the Gothics and the Zombies..:( Anyway... Didn´t meen to insult anyone (if I just missed you on the pub...) :)
 
Cainite: The tattoo is really cool! Was it opeth who designed it themselves? Artists in the full meaning of the word! Current logo: 1996-, Drawn by Timo Ketola.

Evisceratrix: "im on day 6 of my attempt at quitting smoking (which doenst mean i havent had a cigarette in six days....i think ive had like 3 in the past six days...whatever!) and i have been quite unstable! its certainly no excuse-but im sure its a contributing factor to this bitch mode im in." :goggly: WELL DAAMMNN!! That's a "horse of a different color!" :lol: (I can't believe I just used that.) See, that is something I tried as well, about 6 months ago. I swore that EVERYONE was not treating me the same they used to. It seemed like everyone was against me at work, home...everywhere. I was a different person. I failed, which I hope you don't because smoking is like one of the worst things I could have ever started (maybe), but I'm trying again with another method. I understand what you're feeling at times. I could have been declared insane a few times.

:rolleyes:
 
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