New Mix (still bad ;) ), please comment

[Morgorroth]

I recorded a song all by myself now.
Guitars and Bass tracked through Pocket Pod (guitars quad tracked, used Brohymns V30 Impulses)
Bassdrum and snare are samples.

Problems I realize: snaresound sucks, I tried to get it better for about an hour .... then I just got fucking pissed, because it still sucked , I will try again tommorow
Overhead sound is horrible (will get some Beyerdynamic Opus 53 or Rode NT5, if I can raise the money)

Guitars are boomy, because of the shitty Pocket Pod.

Vocals suck (I only recorded them to have a clue, how to mix)

link :
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=846505&songID=6874970


NEW MIX: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6881481

Greetings

 

[onqel]

Too compressed in my opinion.. you've got some pumping here and there..
I'm listening to headphones so I can't tell you much.. You've got a cool song going on, and the vocals is'nt that bad either, a thousand times better than mine

 

[Shatcore]

You need to strip it down and start again in terms of levels, it's kind of all over the place, start with making a nice even drum group and then add everything around it. Also kill or fix the comp on your mix because your kick is making the mix pump.

 

[broken81]

To much highs......

 

[Morgorroth]

Thank you very much,
I will completly remix the song in the next few days.
I tried to create a drum group but If I rout the drum tracks to the group they are automaticly centered (and then the display for panning simply disappears) ... and I don't know how to get rid of that .
Apart from that the MP3 sucks (I only listened to the wave before ). I have to find out how to change the decode-settings in Wavelab :/

Greetings

 

[Shatcore]

You need to make a stereo group as opposed to mono, what DAW are you using?

 

[Morgorroth]

Me : moron

I also got to that point, when I wanted to try sidechain compression today and "duh" I saw, mono , stereo, quadro etc

I use Cubase SX3.1
So I remixed the Song, I mostly used the tips from The Mixing Engineer's Handbook (by Bobby Owinski) and checked Oznimbus Drum Mixing FAQ (which is awesome by the way)... and I am still not happy with the mix .
BUT I think I go rid of the "pumping", I organized everything in neat little groups.... and I use a different converter now for WAVE -> MP3 (no longer will the shitty wavelab converter make my poor quality mixes even worse!).
Well I worked on the Mix for about .... 6 hours ( Oo ) now

here is the link:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6878794

greetings

 

[paladin shredder]

here's a strategy i use sometimes. mix the entire song without listening to the the overheads, mix everything so that it is kicking ass even though you can't hear the overheads. then slowly bring them up. you find that it'll sound more powerful once you get the kick and snare working well with the guitars and bass first.

 

[Morgorroth]

I worked on the song again:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6881481


More Highs, louder Vocals, less compression, less OHs (and I cut them so they are really hard L and R ), edited the kick (even if I still don't know how to do parallel compression, because I have no idea how to route from a effect, like a stereo compressor for example, to channels Oo).


And thank you for the "mute the OHs" trick! helped me alot
Greetings

 

[paladin shredder]

well, the guitars and drums are definitely more defined now, excelent! now the next step is don't think "what can i add to make it sound better?" you should think "what can i take out to make it sound more natural?" do you also have an eq plugin across the whole mix buss? I'd say that if you have any eq boosting the highs on either the entire mix, vocals, or overheads, then you should turn it OFF!! there is nothing more unprofessional sounding about a mix than just hearing a bunch of high frequencies over the whole thing. obviously, it does immediately sound "better" when you start boosting high frequencies, but it's really easy to get carried away! i think the vocals and overheads need less highs, a lot less compression on the overheads, and the whole mix needs more bass so bring up the bass guitar. remember a "natural" sounding mix is the key!