New Orleans turns to international financial aid
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Fuck em! They shouldn't get any money from us. Why should the tax payers have to pay to rebuild a city that is below sea level and bound to get destroyed again?
Let other countries give them the money, not hurting me.
Let other countries give them the money, not hurting me.
I await until Dead Winter comments on that.
I think it is a little more than just fucked up that one of the historical cities of the most industrialized country of the world cannot get funds form the federal government while fucking pointless wars and imperialism get all the money. I bet Putin and all the EU presidents are laughing their asses off, and are laughing at the decline of the empire of the 20th century. It is just as sad as the "commie" of Latin America, Chavez provides poor families in the US with oil to heat themselves during the winter, while Bush throws shit at venezuela. I bet this administration will not be remembered well by the history books 20 or 30 years from now.
First of all New Orleans was destroyed because the failure of the administration to build decent levies and pumps and respond fast enough to prevent that destruction from happening. That city didn't get destroyed before 2005. it was once in 200 years, there were some warnings of the weakness of its sewage, pumping and levy systems in 1995 after a hurican e in which a few dozens died, but neither clinton nor bush provided the money to upgrade and bring up to date its systems. It has been standing below sea level since its founding 1718 along with COUNTLESS cities, towns and villages world wide built on the coasts below sea level. If it is taken care of like it was before Bush, it will not be destroyed again.
And Eric, My comment to your post above, is that you are as American, just like those blacks and whites and whatever race/religion/whatever minority lives in New Orleans, or NYcity, or Montgomery, Alabama. So as a nation everyone should be united and help each other (like your country did for a few hundred years so they reached the status of super power USA is right now). So you are pretty selfish, and not at all patriotic. IMHO patriotism is not just about conquering Rusia, sodomizing arabs with tactical missles and all that, but helping each other, that is why America is a Union.
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I await until Dead Winter comments on that.
I think it is a little more than just fucked up that one of the historical cities of the most industrialized country of the world cannot get funds form the federal government while fucking pointless wars and imperialism get all the money. I bet Putin and all the EU presidents are laughing their asses off, and are laughing at the decline of the empire of the 20th century. It is just as sad as the "commie" of Latin America, Chavez provides poor families in the US with oil to heat themselves during the winter, while Bush throws shit at venezuela. I bet this administration will not be remembered well by the history books 20 or 30 years from now.
First of all New Orleans was destroyed because the failure of the administration to build decent levies and pumps and respond fast enough to prevent that destruction from happening. That city didn't get destroyed before 2005. it was once in 200 years, there were some warnings of the weakness of its sewage, pumping and levy systems in 1995 after a hurican e in which a few dozens died, but neither clinton nor bush provided the money to upgrade and bring up to date its systems. It has been standing below sea level since its founding 1718 along with COUNTLESS cities, towns and villages world wide built on the coasts below sea level. If it is taken care of like it was before Bush, it will not be destroyed again.
And Eric, My comment to your post above, is that you are as American, just like those blacks and whites and whatever race/religion/whatever minority lives in New Orleans, or NYcity, or Montgomery, Alabama. So as a nation everyone should be united and help each other (like your country did for a few hundred years so they reached the status of super power USA is right now). So you are pretty selfish, and not at all patriotic. IMHO patriotism is not just about conquering Rusia, sodomizing arabs with tactical missles and all that, but helping each other, that is why America is a Union.
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Dead Winter's opinion is just that, an opinion. Piss on united, I'm not working with the same people who think I shouldn't be a citizen/am going to hell/should be shot for my beliefs. I work for me first. In the end, you're all you have.
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Haha, You think I support the war too? You are sadly mistaken...
Look, the city is built BELOW SEA LEVEL. It is right in hurricane path. It is going to flood again. That is a given. Be it from shit breaking, or just plain ocean levels rising, it is going to flood again. I do not think it should be rebuilt just so we have to rebuild it in another 10 years. Just like the war, its a waste of money for a useless outcome.
Look, the city is built BELOW SEA LEVEL. It is right in hurricane path. It is going to flood again. That is a given. Be it from shit breaking, or just plain ocean levels rising, it is going to flood again. I do not think it should be rebuilt just so we have to rebuild it in another 10 years. Just like the war, its a waste of money for a useless outcome.
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well, they can kinda improve the way the city is protected from floods. i doubt theyd just REBUILD.
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Chavez doesn't give oil at a reduced cost to poor areas because he is such a philanthropist, he does so just to make the US look bad.
Just look at how he treats people in his own country.
Just look at how he treats people in his own country.
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Is a possibility, though I haven't heard anything about the rebuilding process except for "REBUILD AND MOVE EVERYONE BACK! LOL GOVERNMENT, WE NEED MORE MONEY, MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE".
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And I am patriotic. I'm so patriotic that I am saying "fuck this group of people, lets get this entire nation out of its shit -hole debt".
Remember, we are in a serious debt (due to a useless war)... Lets try and get out of it before we toss all our non-existent resources to other things.
Is a possibility, though I haven't heard anything about the rebuilding process except for "REBUILD AND MOVE EVERYONE BACK! LOL GOVERNMENT, WE NEED MORE MONEY, MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE".
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And I am patriotic. I'm so patriotic that I am saying "fuck this group of people, lets get this entire nation out of its shit -hole debt".
Remember, we are in a serious debt (due to a useless war)... Lets try and get out of it before we toss all our non-existent resources to other things.
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I can't say that I blame them, as the government kinda fucked up in sending help. Regardless, I won't donate. If other people do, good for them.
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Yeah, I don't donate to those Katrina fund things. If there were a Rita fund, though...
And the government has never been too good on sending help to our own nations problems. See: Colorado Blizzard Fiasco of late 2006/early 2007.
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you didnt hear that Lord Sard?
just after the storm mayor nagin was quoted as saying something to the effect of 'we shall rebuild New Orleans back into the Chocolate City it will always be'
something around that approximation. im sure the video is on youtube
just after the storm mayor nagin was quoted as saying something to the effect of 'we shall rebuild New Orleans back into the Chocolate City it will always be'
something around that approximation. im sure the video is on youtube
No, I didn't expect you to support the war, I was just stating my definition of patriotism. I agree with you in taking the US out of the shit hole Bush dragged it in. If the city is rebuild properly with the proper flood prevention mechanisms, even below the sea level you won't have to worry about it getting destroyed for the next hundred years (given we do something about global warming). I am aware of the debt Bush has started, with its war, but not rebuilding New Orleans and damaging the international image of the US (more than bush already did) will not help with the debt or with the shit hole removal.
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If New Orleans gets financial aid from the EU, that will start a downslope of things in the international policy. It will show the world that the US is weak financially, which won't be good for America. Once you show weakness you are fucked, as they say.
I am quite aware that Chavez does it to make the US look bad, and he succeedes, because cuntface president allows him to by not helping the poor himself, and lets his political enemy do it.
I also a gree that the government didn't do much to take care of the internal problems, like you pointed out the colorado blizzards and all that. They neglected it, just like neglected Katrina, Rita, and helping those in New Orleans.
I say we throw a party on January 1st 2009
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I see what you're saying, and I must say that I'm really flattered that you guys have spoken about when I'm not here.
I guess my opinions carry some weight if it makes people think of me, .Yes, it is JUST my opinion, but I don't think that we should just say "fuck it" because it's below sea level. I'm sure New Orleans isn't the only city in the U.S. below sea level, although I don't have the facts to back that up. That's just a guess. However...
California is sitting right on top of one of the biggest fault lines in the world, and EVERY YEAR they have earthquakes that cost millions to the state and federal government. I guess the next time they have an earthquake that kills thousands of people like they had in the early 1900's, we'll just say "fuck 'em".
New Orleans is just about the only city in the entire nation of the United States of America that has any shred of culture left from the past. I'm not saying it's the oldest or anything, because you can go to St. Augustine and see some really historic stuff, what I'm saying is that it's one of the few places in the US that still prides itself on it's cultural history. Fuck, they speak an entirely different language down there, literally. It's the only city that gives you an alternative to the endless miles of McDonald's, strip malls, and movie theater superplexes that dot every major city in the US. There's an alternative to big buildings in New Orleans. It's the only city left in the US with soul and an actual identity...an identity NOT formed by pop culture, but instead history. The saddest part about New Orleans is that it is losing it's cultural pride and history to tourism. College kids come in droves one month a year to get drunk, flash tits for stupid plastic beads, and make a mockery of what Mardi Gras really is. The last time I was there was 2004 when I came to visit family, in AUGUST, and the number of annoying college kids literally made me sick. It was like a big fuckin' frat party. I left and never went back.
Now, as far as the international aid thing, here's my two bits:
I think it's degrading and a travesty that the most powerful nation in the world cannot help it's own people due to the fact that our leaders' noses are so far up the asses of nations who hate us that they can't see the problems we have on the homefront. On the other hand, it'll be really nice to see some of these fuckholes we've been giving money to hand over fist all of these years finally do something for us. That gigantic joke of a committee called the UN will have to give some of our money back to us, looks like, since we pay for 75% of their budget anyway, and I think it's fitting. We give billions of dollars a year in aid to countries who would rather spit in our face and WHO DO spit in our face, only to stick out their hand again for more money. And our leaders, in their infinite wisdom, allow this to continue year after year after year. The last time I checked, we are THE fattest, one of the dumbest, one of the laziest, the richest, and one of the most spoiled countries on the face of the earth. We have a lot of problems and no one seems to care as long as we can make a show of force with "the mother of all alliances" with countries like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, the Philippines, Morocco, and many other countries that wield so much influence and power of the globe as these countries do to fight bogus wars.
So I'm fucking happy as a priest on a playground that NOLA called for international help, and you know what? I HOPE THE FUCKING RUSSIANS GIVE US TONS OF MONEY. I hope this experience humiliates the United States in front of the entire world so finally, FINALLY people can see how hypocritical it is to go around telling other people how to live their lives when we can't even help our own people with basic things like, oh, FOOD, WATER, AND SHELTER!!!! For the dumbasses who stayed in New Orleans, it's their own fault they died or got stuck. They should've left when we told them to. The other people who have nothing to go back to are the ones who need the most help, and I hope all the countries that we've had tensions with at one time or another give us tons of money to keep us in their debt and put us in our place. It's about time we start taking from the countries we've been giving to, and this time it won't be oil.
And if you think it's all because of one man, think again. Bush is a fuckwit, that's for sure, but it's not going to get any better just because we put a fuckwit with a different point of view on the opposite side of the aisle in office. It will start with the people, and this experience I think will open people's eyes to see just how vulnerable we are right now and shut us up for a while.
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Söy;6260238 said:
I recall it, but didn't think much of it. I was distracted and it went right through my ears.
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