Next OSX "Mountain Lion" will drop 32bits

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

No it doesn't. It stacks all windows from the same application into a pile of impossible to navigate shit. You now have you use a combination of Mission Control AND App Expose to be able to see all of the windows you are working with. Exposé was better. Try having 7 images open in Photoshop and using Mission Control to jump between them. App Expose works well for this but Exposé did both functions in one without dealing with assigning separate shortcuts to both.

And are you telling me you prefer the new duplicate then save method over good old Save As?

MagicPrefs and a three-finger click on my Magic Mouse brings up app Exposé. I've used it that way since I got my Mac in 2009, and I greatly prefer it to the regular Exposé in pre-Lion. It gets hard to navigate quickly, since I often keep a ton of programs open at one.

 

[oroinvictus]

It's always a pain in the ass when a developer updates and changes things around. It's like if someone came in a re-arranged every cabinet in your kitchen. Are the plates still there? Do they still hold food? Yeah but GOD DAMN IT I WAS USED TO THE OTHER WAY. It's an inevitable fact with computing though. Updates and changes will come. I just tend to ignore them a bit longer than others, because I get stuck in my ways and like knowing where to go for everything.

I can relate to that. It certainly is disorienting when things aren't where you typically expect them to be. I suppose I just pick up small changes fairly easily...

 

[ballstix]

Yeah, I'm all for the death of 32-bit, as long as devs pick up on it. It's not gonna be a seamless transition, but I think I just about use 64-bit plugins exclusively anyway. There'll be more of an issue outside of the audio production world.

 

[Code001]

I fucking HATE Lion, really regret updating. Oh you liked Exposé? Too bad, replaced with shitty Mission Control. Oh all your favorites and stuff in Finder? yeah we made those black and white now so it's even harder to tell the difference between each item. Oh, fucking SAVE AS? Yeah we got rid of that too. Oh you plugged in a USB drive with a text file, opened the text file and edited something, then closed it without saving, expecting nothing to happen? Yeaaaah, we autosaved over your original text file without warning you at all and now you can never get it back.

Fucking ridiculous, worst update to an OS I've ever experienced.

Never used Exposé, nor Mission Control. I keep separate main apps on different desktop spaces. For example, I use iTunes in one space, my browser in another, Logic in another, Photoshop in another, and so on. It keeps everything cleaner, and I'm able to switch between them fast. The individual windows get consolidated into that space, so I don't need to go scouring through tons of windows to get to where I need to be. If I need to share windows, I just temporarily change the desktop space. It took me a bit to relearn the muscle memory because SL handled separate desktops differently than Lion, but it wasn't a big change in the way I operated.

Not sure what you mean by the favorites being harder to see. I'm assuming you mean the things like Hard Drives, Library, Networks, etc. on the sidebar in the Finder window. I don't seem to have an issue deciphering between the names, and the icons seem to be different enough to where it shouldn't be an issue. I keep the following things here: Applications, Music, Library, Root, Public (Dropbox), Networks and Hard Drives.

For the USB stick thing, just click Revert:

Sucks that Lion didn't work out for you, though. Everyone has their personal preferences, after all.

Edit: Saw your Pixelmator comment. I've never used this application, but Photoshop has a Save As... function, and it works just like the other Save As... features. You could maybe try using that instead?

 

[drew_drummer]

Only if you're writing inline assembly.

LOL. Just not true.

 

[sprack]

Depends on whether you care about endianism, if you are doing long shifts, if you are constrained by alignment issues, and there are performance issues to be analyzed between the two. But in general these are far bigger issues for driver writers than apps. We've found that most code ports fairly easily.

Writing code to correctly multi-thread or parallelize is far harder than porting from 32-64bit.

LOL. Just not true.

 

[Rob Logic]

I guess it's how an OS fits into your work flow. I bought a Mac Mini server which came preloaded with Lion Server and I haven't had one issue with it. I actually rather like mission control. I don't prefer it over my macbook pro with SL, it's just different and definitely not in a bad way but that's just my perception of it and how I use it.

 

[greyskull]

Can I just say that I just plain don't use any of the fancy shit they added after tiger? Exposé? nope! Mission COntrol Hell No, spaces I toyed with for a while but it did my head in.

I just use the dock and CMD +Tab!

 

[zvish]

mll

 

[Siguros]

mll

 

[hct]

Depends on whether you care about endianism, if you are doing long shifts, if you are constrained by alignment issues, and there are performance issues to be analyzed between the two. But in general these are far bigger issues for driver writers than apps. We've found that most code ports fairly easily.

Writing code to correctly multi-thread or parallelize is far harder than porting from 32-64bit.

It depends. As far as I know, plugins are rarely developed from ground up. If you control all the code, it's much easier, but it's not the case mostly. In case you use third party modules/libraries, it's not rare that even if there is a good 64bit support in it, you often have to adapt to the new API, which often behaves differently etc etc. Sometimes you have to drop some library at all. A good example is the Carbon vs Cocoa issue in MacOSX.

And it's not less important that a supporting 64bit effectively doubles the number of DAWs you have to test your plugins on.

 

[arv_foh]

They dropped the 32-bit kernel for the full release, developers still has 32 bit atm though. That means you'll have to run 32 bit plugins through the stupid bridge in Logic that never works properly.

that's weird I use the bridge all the time and never have any problems with it

 

[C_F_H_13]

Based on my experience updating my laptop to Lion last week, I don't even give a shit. I'll be sticking with Snow Leopard on my recording machine for a while, it seems.

havn't read any of the thread further than this post, but I absolutely agree.

 

[C_F_H_13]

oh and another gripe about lion. Does anyone else notice that the scrolling is the opposite now compared to what it was?

 

[JeffTD]

oh and another gripe about lion. Does anyone else notice that the scrolling is the opposite now compared to what it was?

You can change that in the user pref pane, thank fuck. They wanted it to react like the iPhone/pad scrolling, which would be cool if we weren't scrolling on NOT A SCREEN.

 

[C_F_H_13]

You can change that in the user pref pane, thank fuck. They wanted it to react like the iPhone/pad scrolling, which would be cool if we weren't scrolling on NOT A SCREEN.

that's sweet, or would be had I stayed with lion and not bailed.

 

[JeffTD]

that's sweet, or would be had I stayed with lion and not bailed.

I've been away for spring break and working with it on my laptop this week. At first I told myself "nah it's not bad if I'm not doing production stuff, I'll keep it on, some of the additions are nice."

NOPE. They blow. Going back to SL on Friday night and never looking back.

 

[egan.]

I really don't mind Lion. I'm still on SL for production but I'm typing this on Lion. There are little annoyances but I've disabled most of that stuff. Anyway, I'm glad someone is finally forcing 64bit. Developers have proven that they'll drag it out forever given the option.

 

[Rex Rocker]

I'm thinking about downgrading to Snow Leopard, TBH.

I just got a new MBP and thought it was kinda lame. Wonder if I use my past macbook's installation disks, I can get the Snow Leopard install to work.

 

[LeSedna]

For me the new scrolling in Lion is much more natural. My hand gesture is reflected on the screen and it is proportional to it, I don't see why it's not on a touchscreen would make a difference since your finger will move in a direction somewhere anyway. Wether it is on my trackpad or on the magic mouse, it feels so more natural and when I revert it it feels weird.

I don't think it's a problem anyway, it took me 10s to get used to it even after 15 years of previous experience the other way around.

My only problem with MacOs atm...

Y U NO CUT-PASTE ?

It's even native in the unix commands so why the fuck wouldn't it be allowed to CMD-X files in the Finder ? I hate having to keep the window open to drag the files or use a 3rd party app for that that is not as reliable as the actual command line. It's the most retarded idea ever.

And I hate the way windows are maximized natively. Thanks god there are many little apps to make it behave more like W7 (drag a window to an edge of the screen to maximize it to half or the entire screen, or make the green + button behave like a real maximize). I hate working on an app and see the desktop in the background.

Question with 64 bit : is there a quick way to test all the apps we use to see if they work on 64, like with a command line or by examining processes or do I have to manually find the info for everyone of them ?

Other question : how to examine or kill or whatever the apps that are stacked in the top line of the screen ? You know, all those passive little apps that load on startup and add their icon up there. I would like to see where I can see them listed and control them more ?

Last stupid question : I've never installed a cloned Mac. If I try the new os when it's out, and find that I lose too many apps for the moment an want to go back, would it be possible by using my previous time machine save, or is there any trick due to the fact it's going back and forth between 32 and 64 ? I don't see why it would make a difference but I prefer to ask since I'm a virgin in this process.