I am sitting here with one of the most genuine persons I have ever met in the music industry. I respect his opinion immensely. He is a great credit to the Heavy Metal community. He is a legend respected and recognized by his peers. He is one of the original founders of Anthrax and of the legendary SOD (Stormtroopers of Death). He is my friend, Ladies and gentleman Mr. Danny Lilker.
BM: Danny, You probably have done more bands then anyone in the history of music.
Just if you could remember a dozen or so mention them please.
DL: Well its going to be a long list I hope you have enough tape.
BM: Well dont give me you know, Dannys lunch band that practiced one day and wrote songs about lunch in high school. Give me the real deal shit.
DL: White heat, A band I was in when I was 14 and
BM: Hold it, No lunchtime bands.
DL: Yeah well thats what it was. It didnt go to far. Then I was talked into joining a band by Scott Ian, which I later named Anthrax.
BM: Which he later denied you were in and even more fucked up denied the fact that you came up with the name and then asked you to leave.
DL: Well, Yes.
BM: Well get into later. What are the bands?
DL: Anthrax, Nuclear Assault, SOD, Brutal Truth, Exit 13, (Malformed Earthborn? Dont quote me.) Extra Hot Sauce which was me on drums in a hardcore band. Exit 13 was a band I produced and later jammed with as a filler. Our shows were a drunken massacre. Hemlock, a black metal band I played with for 5 years. Um, Im not going to mention them all.
BM: Good I only have a 90 minute cassette. HAHA
DL: The Ravenous and a new black metal band called Overlord Exterminator, which we are still putting together.
BM: Thats a pretty heavy name.
DL; Yeah with a name like that you can bet we wont be singing about faggot forest shit
A pure spear up the ass metal.
BM: What you dont want to see trees and shit? Not into the whole minstrel music metal thing?
DL: Fuck the forest, Im not into the forest. Branches hit you in the face and you trip over roots. Fuck that! That shit started in Norway. I have a basic appreciation for the aesthetics of a forest but see no need to sing about it.
BM: So right now you have been doing the Nuclear Assault thing, whats up? Did you record yet?
DL: We are going to be recording in a couple of months. John Connelly and I have written solid tunes and its all about getting together for rehearsal. Glenn lives in Florida, Me and Eric the new guitarist live in Rochester. So we are a geographically challenged band. Anthony has prior commitments and he couldnt commit to Nuclear Assault.
BM: Well thats cool. So where have you toured? Whats the website?
DL: www.nuclearassualt.us Recently we did the no mercy tour in Europe with, listen to this. Testament, Death Angel, Marduk, Pro Pain, Malevolent Creation, Darkane.
BM: What were those shows like?
DL: People were excited to see Nuclear Assault back again. Lots of old school.
Also there were a lot of people who never got top see us or only now are old enough to go to a show who were really happy to see us. They came up to me and said, we thought wed never get to see you. Thanks so much for coming to play. It was awesome.
BM: So Danny. Everyone wants to know what really happened with SOD. They have heard me complain about Scott and Charlie for over a year on the net. Why dont you tell everyone that reads this what really happened? OK?
DL: Sure
BM: I will start by setting up a few events and you can comment as you desire.
DL: Sure.
BM: Danny Its fair to say that Scott told you the same thing he told me. You and I had the understanding that were going to tour all the territories of the world, which is why I closed my business down, Correct?
DL: Yep! Thats what I was going on. We were back full fledged. We were going to play everywhere we never played, we did play a bunch of places we didnt play but it was not as complete as I thought. I would agree with that.
BM: And a, I mean youre a pretty mellow guy Dan, you really are. Youre one of the nicer people Ive met in music I have to say.
DL; Well I appreciate that thanks you.
BM: And I think Ive only seen you get mad 2 times in my life.
DL: I got mad one time one I got robbed at a show in Rhode Island. I actually threw a bottle.
BM: Well I didnt see that. I was too busy punching that kid. He he. I saw you get mad in Japan after we landed before our first show and you hadnt gotten stoned yet.
DL: Well, Yeah Im one of those people who have got a very high boiling point.
BM: The other time I saw you get mad was at the first SOD show, at Dynamo. You were called to my hotel room at 1am. We just played a stellar show. Charlie Benante told us that night that he quit, after one show. Do you remember what your comment was?
DL: No, but remind me.
BM: Im going to remind you. Because I hate that motherfucker.
DL; Hey if It was in Holland, I was stoned.
BM: Your comment was, Well once again SODs fans get fucked.
DL; Well I was accurate.
BM: But you were pretty pissed. For the record it is true he quit after one show?
DL; Yes, and was forced to reconsider.
BM: Well, he was going to get his ass kick though.
DL: Right, well thats being forced.
BM: How much of the SOD shit did you write? Speak English or Die was a pretty popular record.
DL: When I got called into SOD Scott (jewcifer) had a bunch of that shit written already
I came up and wrote the rest of it with him except the 2 songs you wrote. Musically I helped write, Milano Mosh, Speak English or Die, Milk, Pre-menstrual princess blues,
Pussy whipped, Douche crew.
BM: So you basically wrote the best shit on the record. I know something you didnt get credit for (besides naming Anthrax). You came up with the blast beat. I remember you sitting down with Charlie benante and showing what to play in milk and he thought it was stupid. I remember Danny Lilker coming up with the blast beat. Not Charlie benante.
DL: That was 1985 I was listening to bands like, the notorious NYC mayhem.
BM; Well, was blast beat stuff like that played back then?
DL: Not like it is now.
BM: Well for the sake of perspective. I never saw anyone do anything like that.
But then again I never saw anyone ever play in tune. (HAHA)
DL: Well technically he wasnt doing a real blast beat because his feet werent going full
speed.
BM: OH, I see. So he cheated.
DL; (SMILES)
BM: I guess Charlie does cheat.
DL; (Still Smiling)
BM: So are you still doing production?
DL; I produced a demo for some good friends of mine called Withered Earth as pre pro for Century Media. I put out feelers to do production. I am not perusing it as a main thing.
BM: How is the scene in Rochester? Is it still a big metal scene up there?
DL: Yeah, Its pretty healthy but a lot of people play that, what I call hearky jerky too much coffee metal. Lots of post Dillenger style stuff. More for the likes of relapse.
Rochesters cool. We dont get many shows due to the closeness of Buffalo. Its either or.
We were hoping to see the halford show but it got cancelled because of the outrageous ticket price.
BM: Yeah something like 45 bucks, right?
DL: Yeah something like that. Who could afford that t-shirts and beer?
BM: Yeah saw it at BB kings and it had like 200 people. Charged 8 bucks for a drink.
I hope BB king dies. Fuck Him!!!! (BBBURRPP!) What do you think of that?
Thats my BB king review. So, ah?
DL: Back to SOD?
BM: Nah I dont want to get back to that as much I think Ive said all I wanted to say.
Unless there is anything you wanted to add other than the fact that the fans got robbed again because Charlies a cunt. Im glad though that you remember the fact that he quit after one show. Cause he absolutely denies it to this day. Do you also remember when we played Chicago, I was getting ready to announce the ballad of Walter Payton and someone yelled the ballad of Anthrax (I will have a MPEG of this soon!) Remember that? Charlie ran off his drum set, he ran away and I had to chase him to back stage and yell at him to get out and finish the set. But hey, whatever.
DL: Italians are dramatic!
BM: ha-ha. Not me. Hahaha. So Danny, Scott did VH1 behind the music for ANTHRAX.
A lot of people have stated that the reason I was pissed off was because I wasnt involved and he didnt mention how SOD built his whole career. The reality is Scott has no honor or integrity. He never honors his friends. I was more pissed that Scott came to me as a friend for help to do SOD and when we broke up he never even called me to have a cup of coffee when he came to town. I was very upset over the fact that you never were even mentioned and in fact were intentionally omitted from the history of Anthrax. I find that insulting. I know youre not the type of guy to say anything but as your friend I had to.
DL: Actually I did say something. I sent them one of the nastiest e-mails I ever sent anybody.
BM: Really?
DL: Yeah, They kind of came back with the same old fuckin party line, well we (ANTHRAX) told them we wanted to have you interviewed. But, I saw that as a basic structural flaw or window dressing. A lot of people who came to their (ANTHRAX) defense like their Webmaster said, Its out of their control. VH1 decides whos in and whose out My problem with the whole thing was, the basic flaw somebody has to tell VH1 the history of the band. This is much deeper than, were gonna ask and your gonna comment on this.
BM: Well didnt they have like twiggy from Marilyn Manson on it or something?
DL: They had a bunch of people on it.
BM; Certainly you had relevance to the people that were on it.
DL: My whole thing is, youre getting salsa on your fucking tape recorder.
BM; Its ok its a spicy interview.
DL: My whole thing was not that I wasnt asked to make comments on it.
My problem was much more basic was that, When they (ANTHRAX) told them the story line they made it seem like I wasnt involved in the writing and recording of FISTFUL of METAL and that.
BM: Well were you? How much were you?
DL: Shit man, I wrote 75% of that record.
BM: Really? fl- Said with disgust!
DL: Well thats the thing. When you saw the show, If you didnt know any better you would have thought I was the guy who was in the band for 5 minutes and that as soon as they got Charlie 2 seconds later they got Frank. Thats how I remember seeing the show and going, what the fuck? The whole reality check thing is, if I was just a primadonna or a baby and out for attention and you know just ego inflation then people would tell me. But people were coming up confused going, How come I didnt see you on behind the music didnt you write most of the first record? I would just have to shrug at them.
When they say VH1 decides whose on it or not I say no thats not it more like you told them, you kinda re-wrote history to make it seem like I played a much smaller roll. The reason for that unfortunately follows a pattern. Bro, Im gonna say these things, bout Scott it follows a pattern in history of after I was thrown out even though I thought up the name (ANTHRAX) He (Scott jewcifer dimebag Ian) told people he thought up the name.
BM; He really said that?
DL: He told people in interviews a million times he basically USURPED my real story.
Which was, that I was in hygiene class in high school, we were talking about diseases
And the teacher drew ANTHRAX on the board. I said, That word has a certain stigma to it, it sounds like it would be a good name for a heavy metal band. You know because its a disease, Its something bad.
BM: Right.
DL: Little do I know 2 years later I see interviews where, Where did you come up with the name ANTHRAX and Scott basically became me and said I was sitting in high school in a hygiene class and I saw that and said Oh my god whats he doing.
BM: So he lied?
DL: He did lie
BM: Oh so thats just it. He flat out lied about the name.
DL; Yeah, He flat out lied about who came up with the name and how.
BM; did you ever take any of those tests for you in hygiene class? And how did you do in class? HAHA- it was a joke.
DL: Right! That whole pattern continued with me. Right after I was thrown out of the band Anthrax that is we were writing material for a second record. Next thing I new I was out but there was a riff I contributed.
BM; Like what?
DL: Um?
BM: What was the second record? Spreading?
DL: Yeah, lets see. Which one was "Madhouse" on? That one?
BM: Yes!
DL: There are 2 songs on that and 2 songs on "Among the Living". Still 3 years later my riffs were still being used.
BM: What was on "Among the Living"?
DL: "I am the law". "Imitation of Life" I think.
BM: Which was the SOD song they stole
DL: Right! So there you go.
BM; So they basically robbed you?
DL: Ok, you were at the meeting when Johnny Z came up to hear the mixes of Spreading the Disease, we were doing the SOD record in Ithaca. You were there; they were playing john the mixes. All of a sudden I heard a riff I wrote and I said Scott were you gonna give me credit for that? And he looked very uncomfortable and said ah yeah Danny wrote a couple of riffs on that he should get credit.
BM: I dont remember that but tell you what I dont remember anything from that session. I do remember you saying at one point that there was music that you wrote on it, that you wrote and that they used.
BM: There was an interview I read where Scott says you and he talk all the time.
DL: That is an absolute load of shit.
BM; So, he lied again.
DL: After behind the music, when he realized that he basically fucked up by glossing over my contributions by re-writing the history of it. All of a sudden after that you see interviews of him praising me. Its kinda like too little too later.
BM: Anthraxs lack of genuine identity is circumvented by there ability to take other peoples.
DL; Well, yeah.
BM: Lets move on
DL: there are 2 types of people in the world. Some people have ethics, some people dont.
BM: Well Scott definitely has none. But I dont want to make this a Scott bashing interview. I just wanted to inform the reality of the situation to people because you did get pushed aside.
DL: I just want credit where credit it due.
BM: A lot of people believe you should sue them for defamation of character. I, being one.
DL: Believe me, Metal fans know the real story. The drummer from Immortal came up to me at Wacken festival last year and was disgusted with what happened. He was like fuck those guys. People know whats going on.
BM: Tell me more about Overlord Exterminator.
DL: It me, this guy Chris from withered earth the drummer from Commit Suicide. We wanted our black metal shit to be real fast so we got a death metal drummer. Its going to be ultra vicious brutal black metal.
BM; Whats all this shit going on with Keyboards and Chick singers in black metal?
DL: Thats light weight black metal. There is differences within black metal like any other genre. The real obvious ones are, tuning, vocals, production, lyrics. Were, as death metal seems to focus more on violent imagery. Production is always dense, riffing is always noodle and the vocals are very guttural.
BM: What do you think of the new head bangers ball?
DL; Its the same shit as last time except they substituted NU metal for glam.
Its more like UN metal.
BM: Thats funny. Be careful, Anthrax may steal that from you.
DL: I better copy write that.
BM: Ever watch Uranium?
DL: NO.
BM: Julia is kind of cute in a dirty way. You know, MTV makes a big stink about bringing back the Head bangers Ball on MTV2 no less. They say metal is too risky.
But on MTV they have women dancing around with their ass and tits popping out, the symbolism of violence, hatred, drug usage and discrimination on all day. And yet they dont consider that too offensive. What do you think of that double standard?
DL: I can draw a paralel of Alcohol and Marijuana. One has a stigma too be feared. A lot of people believe that metal bands are actually out at night desecrating graves and worshiping the moon. The same person who condemns metal will embrace something like a horror move where someone gets hacked to death. Some things are deemed acceptable.
BM: Its funny in a way. A Nuclear Blast band was forced to re edit their video because they were writing the word SUCKS on a wall of a set. Yet you put on MTV and you have Nelly singing, Its getting hot in here so take off all your clothes. These women are getting down to their bras and dancing like savage animals waiting to mate. Lets face it; MTV discriminates against the White Metal listener.
DL: Lets face it its all about the double standard. I give the ball 2 thumbs down.
BM: It seems like the NU metal thing is more about a loss of Identity and that is somehow being perceived as kids ashamed of being white. The whole idea of kids acting like they are victims from a ghetto, walking around with their ass hanging out is absurd. Did you hear my song WIGGA?
DL: Yes, Its funny.
BM: So, What are you immediate plans?
DL: To see the mixing of the new ravenous record. Do a video for it.
BM: What is your dream show. Anything. GO.
DL: Thats a tough one, Black Sabbath circa 1971 before Sharon, Jack and Kelly turned ozzy into a doddering old man. Darkthrone circa 1991, Napalm Death circa 1987 and throw in Pink Floyd with Roger Waters and David Gilmore.
BM: Wow! So youre basically going to hire H.G. Wells to be your tour manager, right?
You would probably rather get stoned and watch that show anyway. So tell me, who has the best pot?
DL: Vancouver, BC. Its better than Amsterdams. I got my ass kicked one time so bad by their weed I thought I was in a black and white movie. They got some serious shit.
BM: So what are you listening to?
DL: GoatWhore, Carpathian Forrest a quality black metal band from Norway.
BM: Do they sing about trees? HAHAHA.
DL: Not anymore.
BM; So, why did Nuclear Assault break up or why did you leave.
DL: Well when you are in this industry you wind up killing yourself to constantly owe somebody money. Youre at the mercy of these people and they are fucking ruthless. It a evil business and its scary. Brutal Truth getting off Earache, I had to take my left ball extract it and give it to them. Im not saying this to slag them.
BM; you want me to edit it out?
DL: No, I dont give a shit.
BM: Well, yes you do. You want to keep all your options open.
DL: Well, Im not a bridge burner.
BM: Im a bridge demolition expert. By blowing them up youre forced to move forward and that is infinitely better then crawling on your knees.
DL: Well, let me ask you this. If a German festival called and said to you I will give you 50,ooo euro dollars for SOD to play my Festival what would you do?
BM; Id say, NO. I will never go on stage with that Jewcifer fuck Scott or Charlene Bitchante ever again.
DL; Thats why youre you.
BM: Exactly.
DL; you wouldnt do it for a 12,ooo weekend payday.
BM: NO, I have integrity and when Charlie quit after one show it made me realize that he is the weakest human being I have ever met. I think he is the most self centered, selfish arrogant bastard for doing that. And I should know, Im and Arrogant bastard. There is no I in we and he quit the first day. That is so typical of a power trip bitch move it makes me sick. The other thing is this. SOD plays a sold out show in Chicago and ANTHRAX pull the ultimate slime bag weakest bitch move in the history metal. SOD has a sold out show and ANTHRAX that night does a midnight in store and announce it at the end of the show. That was PATHETIC. It shows you what kind of people Scott and Charlie are.
And just how desperate ANTHRAX was for attention. It was probably the most despicable thing I have ever seen. SOD got bamboozled again and so did the fans.
DL; Oh, thats right. I remember that. That was weak. Well I know one thing. I will play metal as long as humanly possible. So, um Thats it.
BM: Thanks for the interview and more importantly congrats on getting married.
DL: Thanks.
BM: Okay. Goodbye. Anthrax sucks! Ha-ha.
BM: Danny, You probably have done more bands then anyone in the history of music.
Just if you could remember a dozen or so mention them please.
DL: Well its going to be a long list I hope you have enough tape.
BM: Well dont give me you know, Dannys lunch band that practiced one day and wrote songs about lunch in high school. Give me the real deal shit.
DL: White heat, A band I was in when I was 14 and
BM: Hold it, No lunchtime bands.
DL: Yeah well thats what it was. It didnt go to far. Then I was talked into joining a band by Scott Ian, which I later named Anthrax.
BM: Which he later denied you were in and even more fucked up denied the fact that you came up with the name and then asked you to leave.
DL: Well, Yes.
BM: Well get into later. What are the bands?
DL: Anthrax, Nuclear Assault, SOD, Brutal Truth, Exit 13, (Malformed Earthborn? Dont quote me.) Extra Hot Sauce which was me on drums in a hardcore band. Exit 13 was a band I produced and later jammed with as a filler. Our shows were a drunken massacre. Hemlock, a black metal band I played with for 5 years. Um, Im not going to mention them all.
BM: Good I only have a 90 minute cassette. HAHA
DL: The Ravenous and a new black metal band called Overlord Exterminator, which we are still putting together.
BM: Thats a pretty heavy name.
DL; Yeah with a name like that you can bet we wont be singing about faggot forest shit
A pure spear up the ass metal.
BM: What you dont want to see trees and shit? Not into the whole minstrel music metal thing?
DL: Fuck the forest, Im not into the forest. Branches hit you in the face and you trip over roots. Fuck that! That shit started in Norway. I have a basic appreciation for the aesthetics of a forest but see no need to sing about it.
BM: So right now you have been doing the Nuclear Assault thing, whats up? Did you record yet?
DL: We are going to be recording in a couple of months. John Connelly and I have written solid tunes and its all about getting together for rehearsal. Glenn lives in Florida, Me and Eric the new guitarist live in Rochester. So we are a geographically challenged band. Anthony has prior commitments and he couldnt commit to Nuclear Assault.
BM: Well thats cool. So where have you toured? Whats the website?
DL: www.nuclearassualt.us Recently we did the no mercy tour in Europe with, listen to this. Testament, Death Angel, Marduk, Pro Pain, Malevolent Creation, Darkane.
BM: What were those shows like?
DL: People were excited to see Nuclear Assault back again. Lots of old school.
Also there were a lot of people who never got top see us or only now are old enough to go to a show who were really happy to see us. They came up to me and said, we thought wed never get to see you. Thanks so much for coming to play. It was awesome.
BM: So Danny. Everyone wants to know what really happened with SOD. They have heard me complain about Scott and Charlie for over a year on the net. Why dont you tell everyone that reads this what really happened? OK?
DL: Sure
BM: I will start by setting up a few events and you can comment as you desire.
DL: Sure.
BM: Danny Its fair to say that Scott told you the same thing he told me. You and I had the understanding that were going to tour all the territories of the world, which is why I closed my business down, Correct?
DL: Yep! Thats what I was going on. We were back full fledged. We were going to play everywhere we never played, we did play a bunch of places we didnt play but it was not as complete as I thought. I would agree with that.
BM: And a, I mean youre a pretty mellow guy Dan, you really are. Youre one of the nicer people Ive met in music I have to say.
DL; Well I appreciate that thanks you.
BM: And I think Ive only seen you get mad 2 times in my life.
DL: I got mad one time one I got robbed at a show in Rhode Island. I actually threw a bottle.
BM: Well I didnt see that. I was too busy punching that kid. He he. I saw you get mad in Japan after we landed before our first show and you hadnt gotten stoned yet.
DL: Well, Yeah Im one of those people who have got a very high boiling point.
BM: The other time I saw you get mad was at the first SOD show, at Dynamo. You were called to my hotel room at 1am. We just played a stellar show. Charlie Benante told us that night that he quit, after one show. Do you remember what your comment was?
DL: No, but remind me.
BM: Im going to remind you. Because I hate that motherfucker.
DL; Hey if It was in Holland, I was stoned.
BM: Your comment was, Well once again SODs fans get fucked.
DL; Well I was accurate.
BM: But you were pretty pissed. For the record it is true he quit after one show?
DL; Yes, and was forced to reconsider.
BM: Well, he was going to get his ass kick though.
DL: Right, well thats being forced.
BM: How much of the SOD shit did you write? Speak English or Die was a pretty popular record.
DL: When I got called into SOD Scott (jewcifer) had a bunch of that shit written already
I came up and wrote the rest of it with him except the 2 songs you wrote. Musically I helped write, Milano Mosh, Speak English or Die, Milk, Pre-menstrual princess blues,
Pussy whipped, Douche crew.
BM: So you basically wrote the best shit on the record. I know something you didnt get credit for (besides naming Anthrax). You came up with the blast beat. I remember you sitting down with Charlie benante and showing what to play in milk and he thought it was stupid. I remember Danny Lilker coming up with the blast beat. Not Charlie benante.
DL: That was 1985 I was listening to bands like, the notorious NYC mayhem.
BM; Well, was blast beat stuff like that played back then?
DL: Not like it is now.
BM: Well for the sake of perspective. I never saw anyone do anything like that.
But then again I never saw anyone ever play in tune. (HAHA)
DL: Well technically he wasnt doing a real blast beat because his feet werent going full
speed.
BM: OH, I see. So he cheated.
DL; (SMILES)
BM: I guess Charlie does cheat.
DL; (Still Smiling)
BM: So are you still doing production?
DL; I produced a demo for some good friends of mine called Withered Earth as pre pro for Century Media. I put out feelers to do production. I am not perusing it as a main thing.
BM: How is the scene in Rochester? Is it still a big metal scene up there?
DL: Yeah, Its pretty healthy but a lot of people play that, what I call hearky jerky too much coffee metal. Lots of post Dillenger style stuff. More for the likes of relapse.
Rochesters cool. We dont get many shows due to the closeness of Buffalo. Its either or.
We were hoping to see the halford show but it got cancelled because of the outrageous ticket price.
BM: Yeah something like 45 bucks, right?
DL: Yeah something like that. Who could afford that t-shirts and beer?
BM: Yeah saw it at BB kings and it had like 200 people. Charged 8 bucks for a drink.
I hope BB king dies. Fuck Him!!!! (BBBURRPP!) What do you think of that?
Thats my BB king review. So, ah?
DL: Back to SOD?
BM: Nah I dont want to get back to that as much I think Ive said all I wanted to say.
Unless there is anything you wanted to add other than the fact that the fans got robbed again because Charlies a cunt. Im glad though that you remember the fact that he quit after one show. Cause he absolutely denies it to this day. Do you also remember when we played Chicago, I was getting ready to announce the ballad of Walter Payton and someone yelled the ballad of Anthrax (I will have a MPEG of this soon!) Remember that? Charlie ran off his drum set, he ran away and I had to chase him to back stage and yell at him to get out and finish the set. But hey, whatever.
DL: Italians are dramatic!
BM: ha-ha. Not me. Hahaha. So Danny, Scott did VH1 behind the music for ANTHRAX.
A lot of people have stated that the reason I was pissed off was because I wasnt involved and he didnt mention how SOD built his whole career. The reality is Scott has no honor or integrity. He never honors his friends. I was more pissed that Scott came to me as a friend for help to do SOD and when we broke up he never even called me to have a cup of coffee when he came to town. I was very upset over the fact that you never were even mentioned and in fact were intentionally omitted from the history of Anthrax. I find that insulting. I know youre not the type of guy to say anything but as your friend I had to.
DL: Actually I did say something. I sent them one of the nastiest e-mails I ever sent anybody.
BM: Really?
DL: Yeah, They kind of came back with the same old fuckin party line, well we (ANTHRAX) told them we wanted to have you interviewed. But, I saw that as a basic structural flaw or window dressing. A lot of people who came to their (ANTHRAX) defense like their Webmaster said, Its out of their control. VH1 decides whos in and whose out My problem with the whole thing was, the basic flaw somebody has to tell VH1 the history of the band. This is much deeper than, were gonna ask and your gonna comment on this.
BM: Well didnt they have like twiggy from Marilyn Manson on it or something?
DL: They had a bunch of people on it.
BM; Certainly you had relevance to the people that were on it.
DL: My whole thing is, youre getting salsa on your fucking tape recorder.
BM; Its ok its a spicy interview.
DL: My whole thing was not that I wasnt asked to make comments on it.
My problem was much more basic was that, When they (ANTHRAX) told them the story line they made it seem like I wasnt involved in the writing and recording of FISTFUL of METAL and that.
BM: Well were you? How much were you?
DL: Shit man, I wrote 75% of that record.
BM: Really? fl- Said with disgust!
DL: Well thats the thing. When you saw the show, If you didnt know any better you would have thought I was the guy who was in the band for 5 minutes and that as soon as they got Charlie 2 seconds later they got Frank. Thats how I remember seeing the show and going, what the fuck? The whole reality check thing is, if I was just a primadonna or a baby and out for attention and you know just ego inflation then people would tell me. But people were coming up confused going, How come I didnt see you on behind the music didnt you write most of the first record? I would just have to shrug at them.
When they say VH1 decides whose on it or not I say no thats not it more like you told them, you kinda re-wrote history to make it seem like I played a much smaller roll. The reason for that unfortunately follows a pattern. Bro, Im gonna say these things, bout Scott it follows a pattern in history of after I was thrown out even though I thought up the name (ANTHRAX) He (Scott jewcifer dimebag Ian) told people he thought up the name.
BM; He really said that?
DL: He told people in interviews a million times he basically USURPED my real story.
Which was, that I was in hygiene class in high school, we were talking about diseases
And the teacher drew ANTHRAX on the board. I said, That word has a certain stigma to it, it sounds like it would be a good name for a heavy metal band. You know because its a disease, Its something bad.
BM: Right.
DL: Little do I know 2 years later I see interviews where, Where did you come up with the name ANTHRAX and Scott basically became me and said I was sitting in high school in a hygiene class and I saw that and said Oh my god whats he doing.
BM: So he lied?
DL: He did lie
BM: Oh so thats just it. He flat out lied about the name.
DL; Yeah, He flat out lied about who came up with the name and how.
BM; did you ever take any of those tests for you in hygiene class? And how did you do in class? HAHA- it was a joke.
DL: Right! That whole pattern continued with me. Right after I was thrown out of the band Anthrax that is we were writing material for a second record. Next thing I new I was out but there was a riff I contributed.
BM; Like what?
DL: Um?
BM: What was the second record? Spreading?
DL: Yeah, lets see. Which one was "Madhouse" on? That one?
BM: Yes!
DL: There are 2 songs on that and 2 songs on "Among the Living". Still 3 years later my riffs were still being used.
BM: What was on "Among the Living"?
DL: "I am the law". "Imitation of Life" I think.
BM: Which was the SOD song they stole
DL: Right! So there you go.
BM; So they basically robbed you?
DL: Ok, you were at the meeting when Johnny Z came up to hear the mixes of Spreading the Disease, we were doing the SOD record in Ithaca. You were there; they were playing john the mixes. All of a sudden I heard a riff I wrote and I said Scott were you gonna give me credit for that? And he looked very uncomfortable and said ah yeah Danny wrote a couple of riffs on that he should get credit.
BM: I dont remember that but tell you what I dont remember anything from that session. I do remember you saying at one point that there was music that you wrote on it, that you wrote and that they used.
BM: There was an interview I read where Scott says you and he talk all the time.
DL: That is an absolute load of shit.
BM; So, he lied again.
DL: After behind the music, when he realized that he basically fucked up by glossing over my contributions by re-writing the history of it. All of a sudden after that you see interviews of him praising me. Its kinda like too little too later.
BM: Anthraxs lack of genuine identity is circumvented by there ability to take other peoples.
DL; Well, yeah.
BM: Lets move on
DL: there are 2 types of people in the world. Some people have ethics, some people dont.
BM: Well Scott definitely has none. But I dont want to make this a Scott bashing interview. I just wanted to inform the reality of the situation to people because you did get pushed aside.
DL: I just want credit where credit it due.
BM: A lot of people believe you should sue them for defamation of character. I, being one.
DL: Believe me, Metal fans know the real story. The drummer from Immortal came up to me at Wacken festival last year and was disgusted with what happened. He was like fuck those guys. People know whats going on.
BM: Tell me more about Overlord Exterminator.
DL: It me, this guy Chris from withered earth the drummer from Commit Suicide. We wanted our black metal shit to be real fast so we got a death metal drummer. Its going to be ultra vicious brutal black metal.
BM; Whats all this shit going on with Keyboards and Chick singers in black metal?
DL: Thats light weight black metal. There is differences within black metal like any other genre. The real obvious ones are, tuning, vocals, production, lyrics. Were, as death metal seems to focus more on violent imagery. Production is always dense, riffing is always noodle and the vocals are very guttural.
BM: What do you think of the new head bangers ball?
DL; Its the same shit as last time except they substituted NU metal for glam.
Its more like UN metal.
BM: Thats funny. Be careful, Anthrax may steal that from you.
DL: I better copy write that.
BM: Ever watch Uranium?
DL: NO.
BM: Julia is kind of cute in a dirty way. You know, MTV makes a big stink about bringing back the Head bangers Ball on MTV2 no less. They say metal is too risky.
But on MTV they have women dancing around with their ass and tits popping out, the symbolism of violence, hatred, drug usage and discrimination on all day. And yet they dont consider that too offensive. What do you think of that double standard?
DL: I can draw a paralel of Alcohol and Marijuana. One has a stigma too be feared. A lot of people believe that metal bands are actually out at night desecrating graves and worshiping the moon. The same person who condemns metal will embrace something like a horror move where someone gets hacked to death. Some things are deemed acceptable.
BM: Its funny in a way. A Nuclear Blast band was forced to re edit their video because they were writing the word SUCKS on a wall of a set. Yet you put on MTV and you have Nelly singing, Its getting hot in here so take off all your clothes. These women are getting down to their bras and dancing like savage animals waiting to mate. Lets face it; MTV discriminates against the White Metal listener.
DL: Lets face it its all about the double standard. I give the ball 2 thumbs down.
BM: It seems like the NU metal thing is more about a loss of Identity and that is somehow being perceived as kids ashamed of being white. The whole idea of kids acting like they are victims from a ghetto, walking around with their ass hanging out is absurd. Did you hear my song WIGGA?
DL: Yes, Its funny.
BM: So, What are you immediate plans?
DL: To see the mixing of the new ravenous record. Do a video for it.
BM: What is your dream show. Anything. GO.
DL: Thats a tough one, Black Sabbath circa 1971 before Sharon, Jack and Kelly turned ozzy into a doddering old man. Darkthrone circa 1991, Napalm Death circa 1987 and throw in Pink Floyd with Roger Waters and David Gilmore.
BM: Wow! So youre basically going to hire H.G. Wells to be your tour manager, right?
You would probably rather get stoned and watch that show anyway. So tell me, who has the best pot?
DL: Vancouver, BC. Its better than Amsterdams. I got my ass kicked one time so bad by their weed I thought I was in a black and white movie. They got some serious shit.
BM: So what are you listening to?
DL: GoatWhore, Carpathian Forrest a quality black metal band from Norway.
BM: Do they sing about trees? HAHAHA.
DL: Not anymore.
BM; So, why did Nuclear Assault break up or why did you leave.
DL: Well when you are in this industry you wind up killing yourself to constantly owe somebody money. Youre at the mercy of these people and they are fucking ruthless. It a evil business and its scary. Brutal Truth getting off Earache, I had to take my left ball extract it and give it to them. Im not saying this to slag them.
BM; you want me to edit it out?
DL: No, I dont give a shit.
BM: Well, yes you do. You want to keep all your options open.
DL: Well, Im not a bridge burner.
BM: Im a bridge demolition expert. By blowing them up youre forced to move forward and that is infinitely better then crawling on your knees.
DL: Well, let me ask you this. If a German festival called and said to you I will give you 50,ooo euro dollars for SOD to play my Festival what would you do?
BM; Id say, NO. I will never go on stage with that Jewcifer fuck Scott or Charlene Bitchante ever again.
DL; Thats why youre you.
BM: Exactly.
DL; you wouldnt do it for a 12,ooo weekend payday.
BM: NO, I have integrity and when Charlie quit after one show it made me realize that he is the weakest human being I have ever met. I think he is the most self centered, selfish arrogant bastard for doing that. And I should know, Im and Arrogant bastard. There is no I in we and he quit the first day. That is so typical of a power trip bitch move it makes me sick. The other thing is this. SOD plays a sold out show in Chicago and ANTHRAX pull the ultimate slime bag weakest bitch move in the history metal. SOD has a sold out show and ANTHRAX that night does a midnight in store and announce it at the end of the show. That was PATHETIC. It shows you what kind of people Scott and Charlie are.
And just how desperate ANTHRAX was for attention. It was probably the most despicable thing I have ever seen. SOD got bamboozled again and so did the fans.
DL; Oh, thats right. I remember that. That was weak. Well I know one thing. I will play metal as long as humanly possible. So, um Thats it.
BM: Thanks for the interview and more importantly congrats on getting married.
DL: Thanks.
BM: Okay. Goodbye. Anthrax sucks! Ha-ha.
Whether it happened or not is beside the point, to still be bitter and resentful about things that supposedly happened in the '80s isn't a good thing!
