one of my most recent mix / productions

[Morgan C]

idk and I'm not even sure I am right.

but it makes sense to me, I mean you have alot more control over what you are clipping if you only put it on what needs it.

I mean if I break my leg the doctor is not (hopefully) going to put a cast on my whole body, just the part that needs it, my leg.

you kinda get what I'm saying?

Putting GClip on the snare bus instead of the master bus gives you more control, but you're still squashing it with GClip. Taking 3db off the snare bus, or taking 3db off the masterbus is not going to make a difference to how the snare sounds. Wherever he's using GClip (if he is), I'd say its too much.

i dont really agree with you on a lot of points
but most of all i strongly disagree about the snare. the snare is the loudest thing in the mix, and it definitely pops out over here...

the kick is buried on purpose. go see them live. he's not a hard kicker. plus its really annoying when the kick is on top of the mix, rather than being a part of the music. i really felt like the riffs and the vocals were driving the songs so i tried to blend the kick in really well. maybe i went to far i can agree a little there, but it still works for a demo (the song is actually just a demo). im pretty much over making bands sound opposite to what they would sound like live. so im trying to be more realistic about the whole thing to a certain degree (not with everyone, but as where i see fit).

i dont use gclip on mastering. i use ozone. and some other waves plugins. judging from what you had said about the distortion, something makes me suspect you still didnt hear the song properly.

Listening on another system now and I stand by my previous statements. Maybe its the vocals that are fighting with the snare, but I can't find anywhere in the song with no vocals >< But comparing to some reference mixes (ie. Resurrection), your snare is barely audible when the clean vocals come in. It's better with the screamy vocals, but not great.

There's a lot of room, and it sounds nice, but it lacks punch. Similar to 'Suicide Season' by BMTH. It's not mix-breaking, but getting some more punch in there could only help your mixes I think. Don't take offence to what I'm saying.. it seems you very rarely get constructive criticism, it seems to be either 'omg joey i luv u share pod' or 'You're ruining music'. Hopefully this is some help to you.

 

[Seth Munson]

Putting GClip on the snare bus instead of the master bus gives you more control, but you're still squashing it with GClip. Taking 3db off the snare bus, or taking 3db off the masterbus is not going to make a difference to how the snare sounds. Wherever he's using GClip (if he is), I'd say its too much.

Ohh, I think I misunderstood you the first time. I get what you are saying now

 

[pipaguapique]

im listening to it right now...but the mix seems too crowded (i don't know how else to explain it) i just can't focus on one thing, or a song as a whole.

i cannot hear the kick...just feel it on some parts. Also, im not sure if it's the mastering but the guitars are pretty piercing.

I really liked the mis may i mix way way better...this one seems saturated to me (IMHO of course)

 

[dani]

sounds huge, a little bit crowded, and for me the snare is just a little quiet..

production is just.. perfect, as usual. TPAS was pretty fucking steller, but you seem to have outdone it with this one.

question, how long does all that production take?

one final note, you never seem to post your mixes to rate my poo anymore

thanks,

 

[jimwilbourne]

the first few times I listened to this song. I didn't really like the direction of the production.
but then, I actually enjoy this band. so I realized I was giving it more of a song writing review.

now that I'm listening to just the mix, I think you've really started to settle into your skin as a producer.
The work you did with I Am Abomination & the new Miss May I album are absolutely stunning. each mix is becoming more & more sonically thoughtful.

I do wish the kick had just the slightest bit more power.
I don't think it's a level issue, I feel like it has more to do with the nature of the sound. maybe a little more punch.

I love how everything else fits together.
and as most have voiced, I appreciate the drum sounds on this much better than Slate.

 

[zvish]

hmmmm maybe this is player fault, but i hear clipping all time too, but love the drums

 

[Charlez]

Appropriate song title for the both of you

 

[Dollarosa]

I disagree with Morgan C!!! I think the drums sit nice in the mix, I am over those mixes where the drums a punching thru like crazy. This mix should focus on the vocals not the drummer. I can understand your view point as you are a drummer, but vocals to me are the most important factor.

 

[dasbrootal]

sounds great. i love that the kick (or any of the instruments for that matter) doesn't distract from the song. everything is glued together very nicely. definitely keep pushing in this direction with your mixes man. how was bass processed on this track? and what did you use for the post production fx? i'm very curious.

 

[Seth Munson]

Tbh the drums are plenty loud on my Adams, I cear everything perfectly clear

 

[Tim HLAH]

sounds cool and a well balanced mix to me.
listening on cheap headphones atm, but the snare has plenty room during clean vocals in the phones

 

[bennyola09]

great track. I heard WCAR before Dreams but you helped bring out a better song in them with Dreams. I've seen them live now 3 times and I agree with what you say about the guitars and vocals definitely driving the band which is why I believe the newest song is their best yet and you did a great job with finding a sound that suits them even better then their last record.

On another hand I'm wondering if you're going to end up doing Emmure? I would love to hear you work with them. And also I think I read somewhere that you were going to be doing the new Dance Gavin Dance record as well?

 

[DeclanWhite]

I think I read somewhere that you were going to be doing the new Dance Gavin Dance record as well?

:O i don't want this to be true

no offense if this is true joe, but i love the raw sound they have.
its their sound!

 

[poopoohead]

sounds like you are using that big ben

 

[AdamWathan]

I disagree with Morgan C!!! I think the drums sit nice in the mix, I am over those mixes where the drums a punching thru like crazy. This mix should focus on the vocals not the drummer. I can understand your view point as you are a drummer, but vocals to me are the most important factor.

I agree with this, drums sound great and are the perfect level. Morgan is a drummer though They sit in the background and drive the song without ever taking over, I like it.

Great mix Joey, your stuff has been awesome for years and you are still improving with every production. Moving away from the Slate stuff is a really good move, your latest stuff sounds a lot more natural, really digging it dude! Cheers.

 

[gotet10]

How did you get the kick to sit so well in the mix?

 

[OneDaySky]

Awesome new, more natural drum tone

 

[DeclanWhite]

^fuck off. seriously.

stop bumping old joey threads.

 

[loxrox33]

Id say this mix is 'bigger' but not always in a good way. It is brighter and i think that is what makes it more "ambient" it seems as if there's alot more is happening, a bit like zombie EP. But then again, i thought to plant a seed was one of your best mixed albums. Also i can really hear the use of the snare 1 here its great! I use it a bit but i can't get it to sound quite as natural as you can, for example, if you set them to ALL cracks, what do you do with the snare roll parts?

 

[oroinvictus]

...this thread is a couple months away from being a year old, and you bumped it? I know I'm not exactly helping, but still, come on.