Ozzy talks about the Ozzfest incident

[pyhrrus13]

Taking it out on Bruce is one thing, but ruining thousands of fans', who had absolutely nothing to do with it, enjoyment of a concert is quite another do you not think?

As I'm saying, the egging is no worse than the slagging, and it all resulted from Bruce running his mouth. So if you want to blame someone, Bruce is the one to blame. It was Ozzfest, not Maidenfest, and if you shit where you eat, don't be surprised if you get a shitty taste in your mouth. Bruce was basically slagging all those fans who'd come to Ozzfest too, considering Ozzy WAS the headliner. As I said before, if I'd been there I'd have laughed and thrown an egg myself. Fans in Eurpoe throw bottles of piss onstage all the time, eggs are pretty harmless compared to a glass bottle full of piss, don't you think?

Any fan who really didn't like it could've done what Nav did and got their money back through their CC company. He was thinking at least.

 

[Metallicat180]

As I'm saying, the egging is no worse than the slagging, and it all resulted from Bruce running his mouth. So if you want to blame someone, Bruce is the one to blame. It was Ozzfest, not Maidenfest, and if you shit where you eat, don't be surprised if you get a shitty taste in your mouth. Bruce was basically slagging all those fans who'd come to Ozzfest too, considering Ozzy WAS the headliner. As I said before, if I'd been there I'd have laughed and thrown an egg myself. Fans in Eurpoe throw bottles of piss onstage all the time, eggs are pretty harmless compared to a glass bottle full of piss, don't you think?

Any fan who really didn't like it could've done what Nav did and got their money back through their CC company. He was thinking at least.

I can understand that, but like I said before - she should have had it out with Bruce personally, not ruining the show for the fans. The innocent fans were the ones who were the main victims in all of this. And another thing I said before, can anyone actually show me any footage of Bruce slagging Ozzy. I'm not saying he didn't, but I have never seen any.

They don't allow glass bottles at gigs, but throwing anything at band is a big no no as far as I'm concerned.

 

[pyhrrus13]

I can understand that, but like I said before - she should have had it out with Bruce personally, not ruining the show for the fans. The innocent fans were the ones who were the main victims in all of this. And another thing I said before, can anyone actually show me any footage of Bruce slagging Ozzy. I'm not saying he didn't, but I have never seen any.

They don't allow glass bottles at gigs, but throwing anything at band is a big no no as far as I'm concerned.

Well, you could say the same about Bruce. I have been a Black Sabbath and Ozzy fan since 1970 - their first album came out on my birthday in fact!

So don't you think if I go to OZZfest, I should not have to listen to Bruce slag on the main person I'm there to see? It's very rude to Ozzy's fans.

In that regard, again, I would be happy to see Bruce get egged in retaliation, because his shit-talk would have already ruined that part of the show for me. Can you relate?

I have never seen footage, but the year that tour happened it was all over Metal Sludge, each night of the tour people who went would post threads on what Bruce said. I don't think those threads are there anymore because there is so much activity on the Sludge boards they have to purge it at least once a year. But it was WELL documented at the time and he repeatedly did it at different dates. It's not some rumor, and it wasn't a one-time thing.

He bragged about how Maiden doesn't do reality shows, and on a night when Ozzy was sick and didn't play, ranted about how if it was Maidenfest they wouldn't cancel - just belittling Ozzy any way he could, not mentioning him by name but making sure there was no doubt he meant Ozzy.

I know this is the era of "link please', but if you're heading toward the idea that this is a rumor and not fact, it was very well-documented fact at the time. He did it throughout the Ozzfest dates that Maiden did.

 

[Metallicat180]

In that regard, again, I would be happy to see Bruce get egged in retaliation, because his shit-talk would have already ruined that part of the show for me. Can you relate?

Yes and no. I've been to shows where the singer has slagged off another band I love. Yes, I don't like it and I think "what a dick" but it doesn't ruin the show for me cos at the end of the day, I'm there for the music and the music alone.

I know this is the era of "link please', but if you're heading toward the idea that this is a rumor and not fact, it was very well-documented fact at the time. He did it throughout the Ozzfest dates that Maiden did.

Like I've said time and time again in this thread, I never once said he didn't do it. All I'm saying is that I've never heard or seen any footage and I would like to.

 

[pyhrrus13]

Yes and no. I've been to shows where the singer has slagged off another band I love. Yes, I don't like it and I think "what a dick" but it doesn't ruin the show for me cos at the end of the day, I'm there for the music and the music alone.

Were they slagging the very next band up? The band who took them on tour and was paying them? - VERY WELL in Maiden's case, I'm sure, or they wouldn't have even done the shows.

I would have booed them until they left the stage for that.

Here's the deal.

BRUCE started the shit with his shit-talking.

BRUCE decided to walk out on the fans when he got egged. Since HE is the one who chose to walk off, and HE instigated the whole thing, and HE always says "These colors don't run" - except from eggs - then HE is to blame for not finishing the set. Nobody stopped him from wiping his face and carrying on. I'm sure they band would have carried on if Bruce had stayed onstage.

The bottom line is that Bruce had every opportunity to be the bigger man - he could have kept his mouth shut, first. Failing that, he could have taken his egging like a man and laughed it off, realizing he had asked for it all tour long.

Instead, HE decided to screw the fans on that last night by taking his marbles and going home like a petulant little boy. He can dish it out, but he can't take it. Period.

If you have a problem with that incident, look straight at Bruce. No one made him leave that stage, he pulled an Axl Rose and lost his little temper.

 

[Angelic Slayer]

Like I've said time and time again in this thread, I never once said he didn't do it. All I'm saying is that I've never heard or seen any footage and I would like to.

I have seen footage of him saying it. He never actually mentions Ozzy by name, but he does say "At least this band will never appear in a reality show on MTV". I would be very surprised if that wasnt a dig at Ozzy. lol

While I dont agree with what Bruce said, at least not at Ozzfest, I still think the egging was uncalled for. Mainly because Sharon decided that the whole band, and thousands of fans should suffer because of one man's comment. It was unprofessional at the least, and she should have handled it in a better way.

 

[pyhrrus13]

I have seen footage of him saying it. He never actually mentions Ozzy by name, but he does say "At least this band will never appear in a reality show on MTV". I would be very surprised if that wasnt a dig at Ozzy. lol

While I dont agree with what Bruce said, at least not at Ozzfest, I still think the egging was uncalled for. Mainly because Sharon decided that the whole band, and thousands of fans should suffer because of one man's comment. It was unprofessional at the least, and she should have handled it in a better way.

And so were both Bruce's comments that instigated the egging, and his decision to walk off after getting egged. He could have soldiered on if he really gave a damn about the fans, but his ego superceded the fans. It's not as if he was physically harmed by getting egged.

Again, if you want to blame someone, blame Bruce. He can dish it out but he can't take it. Too bad he walked out on the thousands of fans over a harmless egging; that was really unprofessional of him, wasn't it?

 

[Metallicat180]

Bruce never walked off stage, they played the whole set. I have a bootleg of it. He says something to the effect that despite all the crap, they were going to finish the set for the fans who had paid to see him.

Yes, Bruce should never have said what he said - that was incredibly stupid and rude of him but Sharon should never have done what she did. In my opinion, they were both wrong and the only ones who suffered were the fans.

 

[pyhrrus13]

Bruce never walked off stage, they played the whole set. I have a bootleg of it. He says something to the effect that despite all the crap, they were going to finish the set for the fans who had paid to see him.

Yes, Bruce should never have said what he said - that was incredibly stupid and rude of him but Sharon should never have done what she did. In my opinion, they were both wrong and the only ones who suffered were the fans.

My bad, BigMommaNav said that he was there and that they left after one song. I made the mistake of believing him, since he had a story about getting his money back through his credit card company. Or maybe that's the story he told his cc company and through repetition he believes it.

So if what you are saying is true, then basically there was an interruption and then they finished the set - as could have happened if there was an equipment breakdown.

IMO with Bruce talking his shit, Sharon would have been justified pulling Maiden altogether that night. Ozzy and Sharon being Maiden's bosses on that tour, or their customers depending how you look at it - either way, Maiden were not giving the Osbournes what they paid for. They were disrupting their signature rock festival so Bruce could be a mouthy prick.
A business person will think "Don't fuck with my good name". Rightly so.

But she didn't pull them from the fest altogether. She let them play, and pulled a little prank on them. Sharon has done a lot of really bad things, but this is one of the more justified ones. Bruce brought it on itself, it was a minimal interruption of the set according to you.

You spending money on a ticket does not give the band you like the right to shit on the guy whose name the whole festival is happening under - a true rock and metal icon who is bigger, better and classier in every way even if he is getting old and dodgy. Some things are more important that the $150 or whatever you spent on your ticket.

Again: Bruce started it. He had it coming. Blame him. I DON'T blame both. He started it and he got punked by Sharon. I do NOT blame Sharon for taking up for her husband. She had the right. And half that crowd was drunk out of their minds by that point after drinking since noon in the heat of the desert. They probably had to be told what happened next day by their friends who were on speed instead of drinking.

 

[pyhrrus13]

Eggs are thrown. Maidens has no idea who, blames security and walks off after 1 song. I doubt you'd be laughing your ass sir. You clearly must not be a real fan if you don't care they leave after 1 song.

Metallicat, this is the quote I based my reply upon. The same guy who says they walked off after 1 song and says he also got his money back. Which is fine, that means he got to see Ozzfest for free.

So what is your gripe if you got to see the show for free, after getting your money back, and according to you they did return and finish the set? Hey, Sharon just made it a free show for those who were smart enough to complain to their CC companies! That was awfully nice of her!!!

 

[Metallicat180]

My bad, BigMommaNav said that he was there and that they left after one song. I made the mistake of believing him, since he had a story about getting his money back through his credit card company. Or maybe that's the story he told his cc company and through repetition he believes it.

So if what you are saying is true, then basically there was an interruption and then they finished the set - as could have happened if there was an equipment breakdown.

IMO with Bruce talking his shit, Sharon would have been justified pulling Maiden altogether that night. Ozzy and Sharon being Maiden's bosses on that tour, or their customers depending how you look at it - either way, Maiden were not giving the Osbournes what they paid for. They were disrupting their signature rock festival so Bruce could be a mouthy prick.
A business person will think "Don't fuck with my good name". Rightly so.

But she didn't pull them from the fest altogether. She let them play, and pulled a little prank on them. Sharon has done a lot of really bad things, but this is one of the more justified ones. Bruce brought it on itself, it was a minimal interruption of the set according to you.

You spending money on a ticket does not give the band you like the right to shit on the guy whose name the whole festival is happening under - a true rock and metal icon who is bigger, better and classier in every way even if he is getting old and dodgy. Some things are more important that the $150 or whatever you spent on your ticket.

Again: Bruce started it. He had it coming. Blame him. I DON'T blame both. He started it and he got punked by Sharon. I do NOT blame Sharon for taking up for her husband. She had the right. And half that crowd was drunk out of their minds by that point after drinking since noon in the heat of the desert. They probably had to be told what happened next day by their friends who were on speed instead of drinking.

Yes, Bruce started and brought it on himself but the point that I keep trying to make is that it's the FANS that suffered most out of this whole thing. They were the ones disappointed by the ruined set, they were the ones who payed their hard earned cash to see both Maiden and Ozzy play. Yes, Bruce should have kept his big gob shut but they should not have sabotaged their set, and had it out with them afterwards. From other stories I've heard, and from Sharon's rant, she had no problem with the rest of Maiden and that Steve had apologised for Bruce's behaviour. So do you think she was right to take it out on the WHOLE band, when it was just one person that started it? There are pictures of Janick, Steve and Nicko covered in egg and yet according to Sharon, she had no problem with the rest of the band - only Bruce.

 

[Big Momma Nav]

Yes, Bruce started and brought it on himself but the point that I keep trying to make is that it's the FANS that suffered most out of this whole thing. They were the ones disappointed by the ruined set, they were the ones who payed their hard earned cash to see both Maiden and Ozzy play. Yes, Bruce should have kept his big gob shut but they should not have sabotaged their set, and had it out with them afterwards. From other stories I've heard, and from Sharon's rant, she had no problem with the rest of Maiden and that Steve had apologised for Bruce's behaviour. So do you think she was right to take it out on the WHOLE band, when it was just one person that started it? There are pictures of Janick, Steve and Nicko covered in egg and yet according to Sharon, she had no problem with the rest of the band - only Bruce.

Don't bother - you can only argue with someone so much who have blinders on. (bet If someone threw eggs at the Maidens for talking about Aja, he'd support her). Just ignore him and let his posts speak for themselves.

You know very well if the OPPOSITE was true, Bruce threw eggs at Ozzy for talking shit - he'd be railing non-stop against Maiden here. Easier to just ignore people like him cuz "every issue must revolve around how HE thinks". Lots of people on the web think like that when it comes to issues and can be safely ignored. Only when they're on the receiving side do they finally learn.

n

 

[pyhrrus13]

Yes, Bruce started and brought it on himself but the point that I keep trying to make is that it's the FANS that suffered most out of this whole thing. They were the ones disappointed by the ruined set, they were the ones who payed their hard earned cash to see both Maiden and Ozzy play. Yes, Bruce should have kept his big gob shut but they should not have sabotaged their set, and had it out with them afterwards. From other stories I've heard, and from Sharon's rant, she had no problem with the rest of Maiden and that Steve had apologised for Bruce's behaviour. So do you think she was right to take it out on the WHOLE band, when it was just one person that started it? There are pictures of Janick, Steve and Nicko covered in egg and yet according to Sharon, she had no problem with the rest of the band - only Bruce.

If the fans still got their full set, then they are being a little too thin-skinned about the whole incident. They didn't shoot them with a gun, they egged them. You're apt to get egged walking down the street on Halloween, it's not the end of the world. I guess if you can't curb your mouthpiece, you get egged along with him. It doesn't hurt you and it washes off your clothes and guitars. You're gonna take a shower after a show in the desert heat anyway.

Shit goes wrong at shows all the time. This was a little different, but I will venture to say that if the Maiden fans didn't BOO Bruce when he dissed Ozzy, then to an extent they were complicit and deserved to have their show interrupted. Of course if they had then they would join the other American fans Bruce talks down to after taking their money.

I like Iron Maiden, but I am not a blind loyalist who will defend them when they are wrong. Usually when they ARE wrong it's because Bruce opens his mouth to insult somebody, or an entire nation in the case of the United States of America. I am a fan, but not a blind nutswinger. I don't like that they basically LIED about the makeup of the setlist for this tour when selling tix, then foisted all the new stuff on people. Sure, you can trot your lawyer out to point out the technicality of it, but everybody knows they made a strong implication that this would be another classics tour with a smattering of new stuff, not a tour of new stuff with a smattering of classics.

I like their music, but I don't like their arrogance, nor their dishonesty. They knew if they'd said they were gonna focus mostly on 2000s material that their sales would be much less. So they lied, or misled at the very least, sold the tix and pulled the classic bait and switch.

All just my opinion. I'm entitled to it, as you are entitled to yours. I just don't like being insulted as an American because Bruce wants to pretend that Maiden are as relevant in 2010 as they were in 1985. He should appreciate that we want to hear the good stuff instead of the mediocre later-day stuff, the tepid prog wannabe stuff they write today.

If they actually wrote material that approached the classic stuff I'd be open to it. But they're not, and the unconditional love of the hardcore fans has coddled the band into thinking they are still on top of their game writing-wise.
Playing-wise, they are; writing-wise, no way.

So if you want to insult me for liking your actual best material, Bruce, then right back at'cha. I have no use for you if you hold my country in contempt.

 

[Metallicat180]

You didn't answer my question. Was it right for Sharon to egg Janick, Nicko and Steve when she stated in her rant afterwards that the rest of Maiden was cool and that her problem was with Bruce and with Bruce only? Or are they just "guilty by assocation"?

 

[pyhrrus13]

You didn't answer my question. Was it right for Sharon to egg Janick, Nicko and Steve when she stated in her rant afterwards that the rest of Maiden was cool and that her problem was with Bruce and with Bruce only? Or are they just "guilty by assocation"?

I believe I did address that when I said it was a harmless prank that didn't really hurt anybody. But as long as you want to press the issue, it's Steve's band at the bottom of it. If he can't curb his singer, then yes, he can take an egging along with him. He apologized, yes; so he knew it was wrong. But he didn't stop it.

To act like they shot somebody is incredibly oversensitive. It was harmless and a bunch of badass metal fans are acting like it was the Holocaust? Please!

And it wasn't just crew that did it either. The members of Otep for one joined in, and their singer blogged about them deserving it for letting Bruce talk crap on Ozzy's stage. So a certain number of those fans probably actually enjoyed seeing it happen.

 

[Metallicat180]

I believe I did address that when I said it was a harmless prank that didn't really hurt anybody. But as long as you want to press the issue, it's Steve's band at the bottom of it. If he can't curb his singer, then yes, he can take an egging along with him. He apologized, yes; so he knew it was wrong. But he didn't stop it.

To act like they shot somebody is incredibly oversensitive. It was harmless and a bunch of badass metal fans are acting like it was the Holocaust? Please!

And it wasn't just crew that did it either. The members of Otep for one joined in, and their singer blogged about them deserving it for letting Bruce talk crap on Ozzy's stage. So a certain number of those fans probably actually enjoyed seeing it happen.

Wow....just wow. Ok, I was curious as to your opinion there.

And I believe those fans were probably well in the minority.

 

[pyhrrus13]

Don't bother - you can only argue with someone so much who have blinders on. (bet If someone threw eggs at the Maidens for talking about Aja, he'd support her). Just ignore him and let his posts speak for themselves.

You know very well if the OPPOSITE was true, Bruce threw eggs at Ozzy for talking shit - he'd be railing non-stop against Maiden here. Easier to just ignore people like him cuz "every issue must revolve around how HE thinks". Lots of people on the web think like that when it comes to issues and can be safely ignored. Only when they're on the receiving side do they finally learn.

n

Says the guy who lied on this thread saying Maiden only did one song that night.

My posts DO speak for themselves - and so do yours. You obviously felt you had to lie to make a point, so you did. I'm only stating my opinion as I see it. And you have NO idea what my opinion would be on other matters, so your speculation is pure bullshit. Kinda like when you said Maiden only played one song.

 

[pyhrrus13]

Wow....just wow. Ok, I was curious as to your opinion there.

And I believe those fans were probably well in the minority.

You don't like minorities? RACIST!!!

Just kidding! But seriously, that's strictly your guess based on people who post here and on Iron Maiden boards. Certainly if you ask those particular people you'd probably get that impression.

If you asked everybody who went to Ozzfest, to see other bands and Ozzy as well as Maiden, you might get a very different answer. It's easy to bag on Sharon because she has done a lot of sleazy moves over the years, but I am also sure that the people there to see Ozzy didn't appreciate Bruce talking smack on Ozzy's own stage, right before his set.

 

[Big Momma Nav]

Says the guy who lied on this thread saying Maiden only did one song that night.

It was hypothetical. Should've put the word "If" before that sentence just to clarify - my bad.

Rest of my points stand fine. If someone throw eggs at ozzy and it ruined the show, I doubt you'd be in the audience "laughing".

Hence why your opinions can be safely ignored - and judging by how many are defending you here - are.

n

 

[pyhrrus13]

It was hypothetical. Should've put the word "If" before that sentence just to clarify - my bad.

Rest of my points stand fine. If someone throw eggs at ozzy and it ruined the show, I doubt you'd be in the audience "laughing".

Hence why your opinions can be safely ignored - and judging by how many are defending you here - are.

n

Nice backpedal to cover your straight out lie. I believe you, no, really, I do!

If Ozzy was the one slagging a band, you bet I'd laugh, because he'd deserve it exactly the same as Bruce did.

I don't need anyone to "defend" me, I am expressing an opinion. I think it's true, and the truth is sometimes unpopular. The people here are fans that maybe go too far in forgiving the band - maybe worship them. I don't worship any human being, not even my favorite bands. If they do something wrong I can call them on it. Hardcore fans saying their current crap is good is probably enabling their belief that they are still relevant, therefore harming the band they purport to adore. But metal fans who like classic Maiden, but are not Maiden nutswingers, pretty much think the new stuff is dull.

But as long as you mention the subject, I don't see anyone defending you either, about lying about what happened that night - do you?

Thought not....