RiF
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Talking about drum track clipping: Does anybody know of a 0-latency RTAS-compatible clipper? I don't have ADC, you know...
people using clippers on the master...
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waltz mastering
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Ime/o digidesign converters aren't known for there euphoric clipping capabilities.
On a mix. I agree. No need.
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RiF
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I own it, but it has some latency. Not very much, though but enough to cause phasing issues and other crap Cubase users do not need to care about ;-)
Ermz
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Clipping and compression do two different things.
Compressors attenuate gain, so those peaks actually still exist, except they're being pulled down as part of the gain reduction circuit. This alters the waveform in ways dependent on the compressor and its settings.
Clipping literally CHOPS the top off the peaks. Totally flatlines them. This causes a 'glitch' to happen upon a DAC recreating that waveform. The reason being that a square wave cannot exist in the analogue realm, and chopping off the peak, that's essentially what you've created (sort of). What happens now is that the DAC will overshoot and attempt to recreate that peak on playback.
The end result ultimately is more, transparent gain reduction, provided it's used intelligently. It has the added benefit of retaining transient punch, which is something limiters can annihilate.
By doing as Joey suggested and clipping your individual tracks conservatively, you're ultimately making the mastering process an easy one as you tailor all the tracks to retain punch, with minimal master bus processing.
AdamWathan
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lol dude you master with Ozone. Whether you like it or not you are clipping your mixes every single time you master, that's half of what that plugin does.
drew_drummer
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I know what clipping does, and I know what compression does. My point was, if you need to have a clipper after your compressor, then I'd say your compression was set wrong.
You don't explain why I'm wrong, you just try and school me in compression and clipping, which isn't really what my point was about.
The only reason I could think you'd want to clip after compression, is to use the compressor to pump everything, and use the clipper to cut the peaks. But all you're doing there is making it sound shit - imo.
egan.
daylightdies.com
The fastest compressors can rarely catch peaks like a clipper and you certainly wouldn't get those peaks using typical MB settings. Yes, they are both controlling level but one is chopping peaks of a few samples and the other is performing exponentially slower graduated level control. If Ermz failed to explain why you're wrong then I hope this clears it up.
If it sounds like shit then you did it wrong, but that is a universal truth of audio.
? He just explained it completely.
Everyone isn't just using a compressor to control overall dynamics. A lot of people are using comps for character, glue, etc.
MarcusGHedwig
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Supposedly allows you to get more gain with less artifacts than just pushing one clipper harder; while this is true for compression, I'm honestly not sure whether it makes any difference when clipping, but it's easy enough to do, so I do it
Jaymz
Stymphalian Productions
drew_drummer
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*shrugs*
Well I've never done that, and never felt the need to. I tend to allow myself enough headroom so the peaks that a compressor might not catch quick enough, are allowed to breath. I guess I'll try it out sometime and see what difference it makes.
Well I've never done that, and never felt the need to. I tend to allow myself enough headroom so the peaks that a compressor might not catch quick enough, are allowed to breath. I guess I'll try it out sometime and see what difference it makes.
Ermz
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You're missing the point. If you can't get your answer from what I wrote above, then there's nothing else I can say.
@AdamWathan: Yeah, I imagined as much. Always figured the Loudness Maximizer was an intelligent blend of limiting and clipping, tailored for maximum br00tz. Love it for rough masters.
drew_drummer
Dancefap
No. You obfuscated the point by talking to me as if I didn't know what compression and clipping were. Anyway... I'm past caring, I'm just gonna try it.
Pablo333
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hi matt, are you using the soft clip function on the cubase dynamics plugin on the 2 buss??
Interesting point was raised earlier, whats the point of clipping twice?
Also those who compress after the clip, is this a mastering chain? I am asking as would you mix into a clipper? Do you mix into a bus compresor then clip>compress>limit?
Also those who compress after the clip, is this a mastering chain? I am asking as would you mix into a clipper? Do you mix into a bus compresor then clip>compress>limit?
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