PP4 opinons

[ReaLM]

I am currently 5'6 . The first time i saw slayer during the " divine intervention" tour i was 5'2 or 5'3 and yes i was beaten to death. I couldn't complain about cuz it was my fault for goin into the pit. I do agree that people during mosh pits shouldn't get seriously hurt cuz it's all about metal and fun. Then agian there will always be assholes out there trying to ruin things purposely for everybody else. I was in the pit for Slayer and in there were a bunch of nazi skinheads. Being that i'm hispanic and stuff they didn't like me too much so they easily took every shot on me they could. those are the types of moshers that go to shows to start trouble and hurt people. the moshers at prgopower i doubt were nazi skinheads! I don't like people who go into pits to hurt others! thats just not metal ! everytime i see a fellow metal head on the ground or when i see a female getting slammed in the pit i come and help them out becuz i can;t stand to see a fellowe metal head or female getting hurt! I'm not saying everybody at a metal show needs to mosh but they should show the bands that are on stage playing some emotion in return weather it's moshing, headbanging, jumping up and down, crowd surfing, ect.. All the people i mosh with at shows here know its all out of fun and not for the sake of hurting others. i'm sure the moshers at PP4 didn't mean any harm towards you. but if one guy is being a asshole just to start trouble then he should be the one to get hurt! I understand what you are saying though.

on the other topic

Glen had mercenary play this year and to me they are death metal influenced and the prog/power crowd liked them. I agree that death metal here in the states has a listening base. Black metal is not very popular here in the U.S. at all. The only BM bands i know from europe that tour the U.S. were Mayhem, Dark Funeral,Satyricon, immortal, Marduk, Cradle of filth, and Dimmu Borgir. Those Bm bands most of the time half to support a death metal band to tour here cuz the u.s. metal market is not very big on black metal. BM is more popular in europe just like prog/power is big in europe as well. I;m not saying Glen should widen his market but it would be nice if he did. cuz it doesn't matter if it's black,prog, thrash, death, power,ect.. it's all heavy metal. all the bands from these genres and us fans all come from ozzy, maiden, and priest. so i see no reasons why any fan of prog/power or death/black can't like every metal genre like myself. i like everything from old ozzy, def leppard, dying fetus, nevermore, dream theater, stratovarius, cannibal corpse, kreator, sodom, the haunted, slayer, white snake, evergrey, savatage, overkill, suffocation, deicide, maiden, Labyrith, dio, ect......

what i'm really saying is if we ( metal fans ) learn to accept other metal genres with respect then we would all go a long way and a step further to making metal a dominant force of music!

Sorry for taking you post completely literally. I saw the PP mosh pit from above and I do admit that it seemed rather friendly for a mosh pit. Unfortunatly this seems to be a rare occurance.

I wish I could like all kinds of metal, but I just can't. My boyfriend is like you. He owns 800 some cds, including cds from every band you named (except maybe white snake). He has tried for the last 2.5 years to get me into other kinds of metal.

So trust me, I have heard plenty of the stuff you listed and most of it I don't like at all. I like Mercenary b/c they are melodic and have some clean vocal, but a lot of the prog fans have said on the forum that they didn't like mercenary b/c of the vocals. But then I can't even get into a lot of the straight forward prog music ( like DT) because they are not heavy enough for me. And bands like Slayer, who aren't melodic at all with vocals that aren't that great, who are just heavy, I don't like either. I also know of many people who can't stand prog or power metal b/c the vocals are clean, or the songs are too cheerful, etc. . .

So My point is that people listen to music for different things. And while you might love all metal. I do believe that you are in the minority. I think most of us would be happy if the genres were kept seperate. Maybe someday someone can start a Black metal festival that is similar to prog power.

 

[DrBell]

mgirishfan, In this Pagan's Mind song "Prophecy of the Pleiades", the song starts out with keyboards then some guitar stuff, then it goes into a bass riff playing basically on its own, then the first line is "Walking through winter woods at night a starlit freezing sky with confidence and self control"

sound familiar?



And about Andy, it was partially the way he carried himself, definately partially the type of hair (not length i guess), and looks on his face and stuff that seemed similar to me. It's hard to really explain it any better than that.

 

[mgirishfan]

OK, I'm staying out of the mosh pit fray this time!

Doc, yep you got it - I totally bungled the DT lyrics earlier today....shame on me!!! Twenty lashes for me! But my meaning is unchanged.

As for the Andy/James thing though, wow, I still can't see it at all. I was as close to James at the DT show in Baltimore as I was to Andy at PP and Andy never struck me as similar to James in any way. Nils and James, though? They could be twins, LOL!

No prob though - to each his own, ya know?

 

[Bryant]

As for the Andy/James thing though, wow, I still can't see it at all. I was as close to James at the DT show in Baltimore as I was to Andy at PP and Andy never struck me as similar to James in any way. Nils and James, though? They could be twins, LOL!

Ha ha ha I feel the same way. Andy has a very unique and strange (in a good way) stage presence that is all to his own. Nils gives the fans that 3/4 view and the hand up when he sings much like Labrie does at times and they favor in the face. It's clear the band itself has a strong DT influence, but to be fair to Nils, he does have his own style of delivery and sounds unique enough to me.

Bryant

 

[requiem99]

In my opinion Pagan's Mind have eclipsed Dream Theater simply be writing better songs. I was a big dream theater fan in the past (I went to see them this summer on the FW/DT/QR tour and they were unbelievable, just awesome) but Pagan's Mind, while not as technically proficient as DT, has more talent for writing memorable songs.

DT is much more prog than power, and the opposite is true of PM.

 

[alexxx]

First of all,

Thanks to all the people who took the time the write a review, it was very informative, and now I don’t feel so bad because I didn’t attend PP4 (I was in PP3). But being from Honduras and traveling to the US is not so easy (or cheap) for my wife and me.
I do regret I didn’t see Nightwish, Symphony X, and CIIC… and because “Symphony X” was already in 2 PPs… I guess I will never see them too bad for me!
I just hope there would be a better lineup for PPV, well for my taste of course!
Gamma, BG, Edguy, Angra, and Threshold (I never had listened to them before) where just too much!!!

My point of view about the mosh pit “incidents”…
Here in Honduras we do a LOT of mosh, and like many have said, it suppose to be a fun and energizing “event”, we hate assholes that try to outsmart others take advantage and do serious damage, we usually beat the hell out of the guy that’s doing that.
As you see, in Honduras moshing is very normal and it happens in ALL metal concerts (no matter what metal gender the band is)… but now this is the point: WE ALL MOSH (or at least almost everyone) and most of the moshing goes in front, so people that don’t want to mosh or get tired can go to the back.. I was in PP3 and most people DON’T like to mosh, so the answer is very simple: RESPECT OTHERS.
If 51% or more of the people in the floor started moshing, I wouldn’t care about those that don’t like it, they can leave to a “safer” place, because WE WOULD BE MAJORITY… but in PP’s case the MAJORITY don’t mosh, so the ones that like to do it, can go and do their “mosh pit” in the bathroom.
After saying that, there is nothing wrong about some good old “head banging”, singing, shouting, and jumping (not over other people of course)

About having dark/death metal bands in the show… I completely disagree, the beauty of PP is that: “Power” and “Progressive”, there are other shows for extreme metal.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see: Slayer, Overkill, Kreator, Sepultura, Hypocrisy, Vintersorg… but not mixed with Lana Lane and Nightwish.
The same goes to Lacuna Coil, The Gathering, Sentenced, Paradise Lost, The 69 Eyes… all great bands that I would like to see, but not mixed with the “happiness” of Gamma Ray, and Enguy… they wouldn’t fit.
May be a good idea for a “Gods Of Metal”.US festival or an “Atlanta Open Air” festival, but not for PP.

Ok, that is enough for my first post.

Keep it cool, keep it METAL.