not trying to start a war, but i think this is funny
mixing on pro tools hd (tdm + rtas)
mixing on cubase with native (vst)
mixing on pro tools hd (tdm + rtas)
mixing on cubase with native (vst)
pt vs cubase
- Thread starter joeymusicguy
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xFkx
gain induction
So...
Mixing in pro tools is like hiking in the mountains, while cubase is like rendering 3d arcade buttons ?
I don't get it
Mixing in pro tools is like hiking in the mountains, while cubase is like rendering 3d arcade buttons ?
I don't get it
Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
welp its no good if you have to explain it
but if you want to use pro tools, you have to know it very well and its very specific (not super intuitive either), and if you have HD, you have to understand all the secrets of weaving in and out of two different mixing engines
(not to mention all the back roads that come with that)
in cubase, you just put plugins on inserts and go wild. doesnt matter if you have a mono source and you want stereo delay on that channel
pt, well, if you dont have a mono/stereo version then you have to load one and de-activate it to convince the channel that its ok to have stereo delay from a mono source
i could go on, but this thread already is off to a bad start so i'll just leave it at that
but if you want to use pro tools, you have to know it very well and its very specific (not super intuitive either), and if you have HD, you have to understand all the secrets of weaving in and out of two different mixing engines
(not to mention all the back roads that come with that)
in cubase, you just put plugins on inserts and go wild. doesnt matter if you have a mono source and you want stereo delay on that channel
pt, well, if you dont have a mono/stereo version then you have to load one and de-activate it to convince the channel that its ok to have stereo delay from a mono source
i could go on, but this thread already is off to a bad start so i'll just leave it at that
El_Gato
I love this gain
It's pretty clear the message but it's just that you're used to Cubase, Joey.
I learned them two at the same time fortunately but a friend of mine always used protools and he's also lost in the mountains on cubase.
better forget it, I said nothing lol, fuck the cubase-PT war, I take advantage from them both
I learned them two at the same time fortunately but a friend of mine always used protools and he's also lost in the mountains on cubase.
better forget it, I said nothing lol, fuck the cubase-PT war, I take advantage from them both
Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
Haha, shit, I didn't see it was a map, I thought the chicks were laying a picnic blanket 
Now it makes a bit more sense.
Now it makes a bit more sense.
sorry Joey.. but anyone.. ANYONE... even you... that says that pro tools is not "intuitive".. doesn't know the meaning of the word. you just know what you are used to and are clinging to it. Pro Tools is incredibly intuitive. in fact, if the Webster's English Dictionary used pictures for definitions instead of words, next to the entry for "Intuitive" would be a screen-shot of PT.
and if you have to "weave in and out" to use both TDM and RTAS... you are doing it wrong.
pro tools is capable of complex routing... but being capable, is hardly a slam to PT.
and if you have to "weave in and out" to use both TDM and RTAS... you are doing it wrong.
pro tools is capable of complex routing... but being capable, is hardly a slam to PT.
true man. i just feel there's a lot of things to "know" that you don't know just by looking at the interface... i mean. how the hell am i supposed to know that if i want to run a stereo chorus on a mono track and i dont have a mono/stereo version of it that i need to run another plugin (any will do) in mono/stereo and make it inactive so that when i go to choose the next insert, it will allow me to select stereo versions...
i mean something that simple (i run stereo effects on mono sources all the time, like running reverb as an insert on a vocal track or a mono synth) requires so much specific shit
anyways...
i own both cubase and pro tools so i feel like i can bash either or haha
but to be honest, im really stoked about using my pt rig for actual work for the first time this month
i just spend a great deal of time reading woe-is-me threads on duc about pt sucking
you just never see posts that are talking about how pt rules so hard
... at any rate, i love my pt rig, its shaping up to be really awesome.
Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
Hmm, I might have got your example wrong, but couldn't you just send the mono track to a stereo AUX track? Personally I find it a lot easier to work with reverbs on AUX tracks rather than the mix knob, anyway.
I think from all DAWs I've tried, Pro Tools is the most unintuitive. Editing is such a pain in the ass. Also, why are they being such nazis about everything? They need a whole type of plugins of their own, and Digidesign's own hardware (usually pretty shitty or requires a lot of other pieces of hardware to compensate)
DAWs are different, but I feel that PT is just plain anti-workflow to use.
using pt:
DAWs are different, but I feel that PT is just plain anti-workflow to use.
using pt:
damnit
why does someone bring that up every fucking time
sorry if i take this out on you, i dont mean it specifically to you
there's other reasons to do this, not just reverb
i personally dont run reverb as an aux, never really have. dont ask me why, i just dont work like that. call me retarded. my stuff doesnt sound weird because of it.
at any rate, back to my MAIN point, there are several situations to do this.
1. you're recording a direct instrument that is mono source only, you want to effect this instrument with 100% wet effects (like spatial distortion). the spatial distortion plugin only comes in stereo version
aux doesnt apply
2. you have a main lead vocal and you want stereo chorus... this is why chorus plugins have a mix knob... not so you take up more tracks to run the same thing that could be an insert
3. you have a kick drum and you want to run a full flanger and the flanger plugin is stereo only
i dunno call me weird but in cubase it just makes sense that you can record mono audio to a stereo channel and run stereo plugins on the channel and the audio is just internally mono until its processed through the plugin
it doesnt make sense to me that you've gotta do a lot of horse shit to accomplish a common task (for me)
maybe im just a weird fuck, but i feel like other people have a need for this
im still pretty confused on how to properly run a stereo version of pod farm on a DI track
(keep in mind i have pro tools hd, so you have to leave the TDM engine to use rtas plugins in real time)
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Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
Fine, fine, to each his own and all, I didn't mean anything with it. I just always thought it's the most common way to do it, so that's probably why someone always brings it up. To me it's just like working on an analog console, just a shit-ton more versatile.
But keep in mind that you can always send the track to an AUX track, keep the send pre fader and bring the fader on the dry track down to only get the wet signal.
But keep in mind that you can always send the track to an AUX track, keep the send pre fader and bring the fader on the dry track down to only get the wet signal.
