Putting criminals back in society vs holding them in prison for punishment.

[Manic Ferocity]

Whether or not you like my comparison, way to miss the point. I will repeat it for you:

You decide to accept possible consequences when you decide to take an action.

Yeah, except that driving your car off the cliff isn't a "possible consequence." You pretty much do it for the sole reason of killing yourself. By raping, it isn't your goal to get caught. It's like an apples and oranges comparison.

In a rational society that focuses on liberty, the death penalty is, in fact, fucking stupid.

 

[CF87]

By raping, it isn't your goal to get caught.

I don't think they care if they do or not.

Nor do they understand it's wrong and basically whether or not they get caught is not something on their mind either and if not getting caught will do it again. In general cases have most likely already raped multiple people.

 

[CF87]

A person that rapes a child is not going to get all upset that they are caught and in jail so who gives a shit what happens to them(it's not punishment), fuck them. Add the fact they don't understand it's wrong and regardless will do it when they get out of jail even if some black guy fucked them in the ass every morning.

You could stick a needle in their arm and give them lethal injection and they would not even give a shit just like someone who kills someone so why do they need to be alive and take up space in some gigantic prison where something interesting and better could be.

 

[wolf]

I hate to admit it gieve such a black and white on/off approach, but I agree.

Personally, I have very strong feelings about the rights of women and how they are abused by men. Rape is not treated anywhere near seriously enough by the justice system, it's totally fucked.

The attitude by the justice system towards sexual crimes against women should be of no tolerance imo. You abuse the basic rights of another human being? You fucking lose your life. Simple: DON'T DO IT.

EDIT: I think this can also be related somewhat to how kids are now disciplined by their parents these days. As an old timer myself (33, almost 34), I see kids doing shit now that I would NEVER have conceived of doing when I was a kid.

Never would I have spoken back to my parents, because I KNEW I was going to get a severe ass kicking and super slap to the face. I was brought up strict, and respect my elders. Kids these days don't give a fuck about anything, and I think this is largely because via their parents and also schools, there's just not enough strict discipline to hammer home what is and isn't acceptable.

It's beyond a joke now: there needs to be a harder line taken with criminal discipline, let alone child discipline.

Thank God forensics is around to protect the innocent.I'd hate to be accused
of sexual assault in the more primitive times.

 

[challenge_everything]

I'm a lawyer, and I used to work at the courts (although now in private practice), so I have a few observations from that perspective.

Firstly, I would estimate that at least 60% of criminals that I see have drug problems. And this figure would be even higher when talking about violent crimes. I'm sure there are current stats on this which I could find if I had more time. Obviously the drugs aren't always the only problem, and even without the drugs, there would be plenty of messed up people doing messed up things, but it is without a doubt the single most influential factor in the current crime rate. And I strongly believe that where drugs are the predominant underlying factor in the behaviour of the offender, it needs to be treated like a health issue, not a punitive one.

In Australia, we now have specialised drug courts which work on the principle of heavy and close intervention and supervision, as opposed to imprisonment. It's expensive, and currently only available to a small majority of offenders, but it works so much better than standard in-prison rehabilitation programs. And it saves money in the long run if you can get people clean. It's still lacking in resources, because the public don't want to hear about taxpayers' money being spent on 'soft' options like this, but even in its basic, underfunded form it's so much more beneficial than imprisonment.

How many of you have actually been to a prison? They are the most depressing, miserable places. The suicide rate is enormous, they leak like sieves when it comes to allowing drugs inside and most people come out worse criminals than when they went in. And I'm only talking about Australian prisons, which are by no means 'bad' by global standards.

 

[Hubster]

^ An old neighbour of mine was a prison warden, he had some pretty interested stories!

 

[Manic Ferocity]

A person that rapes a child is not going to get all upset that they are caught and in jail so who gives a shit what happens to them(it's not punishment), fuck them. Add the fact they don't understand it's wrong and regardless will do it when they get out of jail even if some black guy fucked them in the ass every morning.

You could stick a needle in their arm and give them lethal injection and they would not even give a shit just like someone who kills someone so why do they need to be alive and take up space in some gigantic prison where something interesting and better could be.

How the fuck could you possibly know how a rapist operates down to every last detail? If you're going to continue to make this about the fact that you think "they deserve it" then I'm not going to bother responding to you.

 

[CF87]

Don't. I don't understand what else they deserve so whatever.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

I don't think they care if they do or not.

Nor do they understand it's wrong and basically whether or not they get caught is not something on their mind either and if not getting caught will do it again. In general cases have most likely already raped multiple people.

Yeah, you've said this like three times now and it's a generalization that holds little ground.

I'm pretty sure the rapist rapes because he wants to rape someone. Why the fuck would his intent be "to get caught"? You can't honestly say that that is the same kind of scenario as "someone wanting to drive a car off their cliff" unless it was for no apparent reason and the person doing it was "excepting the possibility of dying."

 

[CF87]

I guess they deserve a flat screen TV and a pizza from New York in jail and than let out and have the government give them food stamps and welfare checks or something.

Add put other people at risk.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

So how about you actually start knowing what you're talking about.

I like how everyone supporting the death penalty is assuming that we think the criminals should go un-punished. There are so many REALLY shitty things that can be found for violent criminals to do. Jail is hardly a free ride.

 

[CF87]

A rapist can't control themselves which why it's pointless to put them back in society, they're born that way.

 

[CF87]

I or you are attracted to females and want to have sex with them and are naturally born that way.


A rapist is attracted to little boys and girls and want to have sex with them and are born that way, they can't be in a society. I don't understand how else to explain it.

 

[CF87]

I could not live around or near someone who has raped or killed someone, luckily don't have to because of where I live, a lot of people do though and should not have to.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something? No one is suggesting that we allow them back into society.

I forgot that all rapists were child molesters. There are so many factors that could go into why a rapist/child molester would do whatever he did. I don't know why you think you can narrow it down to one.

 

[CF87]

I realise that, but rapists are put back into a society along with people who have murdered someone.

what are the benefits from that

that's nuts

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Direct me to a specific case. I've never heard of criminals of such a nature being let back into society and, if that is indeed true, I don't agree with it.

 

[AchrisK]

It happens any time someone doesn't get life in prison without possibility of parole, or the death sentence. That happens in many murder cases, and probably most rape cases.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Well then that is another issue that should be dealt with imo.

 

[CF87]

It happens any time someone doesn't get life in prison without possibility of parole, or the death sentence. That happens in many murder cases, and probably most rape cases.

^

Twice the crime and ruined live.