Recording hardcore choir

fistula

Producer/Mixing Engineer
Jul 18, 2006
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hi guys a got one problem
I cannot record a hardcore choir (like hatebreed stuff and others) - it sounds like many voices - but not a choir!
why? i can't understand...

maybe there are some secrets?
 
When I record "gang" vocals I have stuck 5 people at a time around a KSM27 in a live room. I then recorded 5 takes of 5 people. Work pretty good. You just have to make sure everyone hits it dead on.
 
and how this 5 people shuld shout? i mean near or far from mic?

and man - can you post some examples?
 
Depends on what your trying for. I had them about 3 feet away from the mic. But if you want more of a live feel then maybe a tad farther. Mess around with it and you will quickly see what will fit in the mix.
 
When I record "gang" vocals I have stuck 5 people at a time around a KSM27 in a live room. I then recorded 5 takes of 5 people. Work pretty good. You just have to make sure everyone hits it dead on.

Same here. I made that on countless records.

Next time i will try stereo based techniques. A more "classical" approach. I started to dislike the "flat" character of recordings made with the "5 around one mic".
 
"Gate the gang", triggered by one person, the one that sings best. This is a known livetrick for backing choirs. You need a seperate mic on the "lead" backing singer to do this.

I prefer manual editing. Sometimes i have to do 15 takes, just to build 5 tracks out of the best. If you have some good takes you can "hide" not so good takes behind them and just cut them in shape.
 
thanks guys for the answers!
as for panning - sould i do some pan hard right, hard left, 30% etc? or how?
 
Usually i avoid hard panning, but if it sounds good... panning depends on the programm material. I mean - if there is a lot of stuff going on in the middle you might want to spread the choir a little more.
 
i got what i thought was an awesome gang vocal sound on our recent stuff..
ill send you an example when i get home.

what i did was stuck everyone in the live room around a 4050 in omni, then used royer 121's in the far corners to capture the room. quad track it and panned it out. sounded huuuuuuuuuuuge
 
hey thanks
so the main idea is not to record single voices
but record multiple! and then layer them some more times
 
i recorded 4 people, with four takes with everyone within a foot of the mic (Rode NT2-a) if i can remember properly i panned one take left and one right by 70
and the other two by 30? and my vocalist alone centered

worked great i think

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go to a minute into the track.

sorry for the poor mix, i recorded this nearly a year ago, and havent mixed it since.
 
record all the guys with one mic in the room. Make the sing a long 1 time at normal pitch, 1 time higher and 1 time lower. Works like a charm :)