Removing vox, the other way around?

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Soo, when stealing dialogues/monlogues from movies etc, there's almost always this crappy music behind it. Do you have any tricks or such to remove as much as possible?

Atm I filter out some high and lows, and then an expander. But you can still hear some of the music, which mostly drowns away in the rest of the track, but not on the quiet parts (i.e. just drums and speech).
 
I think the only way could be to have original music behind that vox, switch its phase by 180 degrees and mix them... :)

To be honest with the different processes and medium changes between whats on the film and whats on the OST cd probably wouldn't phase cancel anymore even if you could find it.
 
well, i believe if you have a physical dvd in 5.1 surround sound, usually all the vocals are just panned directly in the center. so if you can extract just the center channel from the dvd, you may just be able to get the vocals by themselves. if not, then try sigfried's method, just take the left and right channels and make them out of phase with the center channel, combine them and "hopefully" there you go.
 
Yeah, im curious as well. How exactly would you go about doing the phase technique, I don't really know how to do it.
 
Stereo wideners use something similar, you see the effect on stuff panned right down the middle with them on extreme settings. vocals can drop right down in level because of them
 
paladin, how do you do that? It's a stereo source.

nope, for a dvd in 5.1 you have 6 different audio sources: left, center, right, back left, back right, and lfe (sub-woofer). each of these channels is a different audio source.

here's a little test. do you have a 5.1 surround sound system? if you don't, find a friends and do a little test. find a dvd and play it, and make sure it's in 5.1, then check and make sure everything (settings on dvd and surround system) is either ALL dolby digital OR dts. then just for kicks, unplug the center speaker while the dvd is playing. you may notice you can't hear the main vocals at all, depending on the dvd. that's because almost all major/newer dvds have the main vocals panned only to the center channel and nothing else.

so all you need to then is find a way to either extract the dvd into some editing software, or somehow hook up the speaker outputs into a recording device while the dvd is playing.
 
step 2: phase invertion

it's really pretty simple. so forget the dvd for a second and just import any audio file into some audio editing software, like cubase or whatever. duplicate the audio track so that you have 2 of the exact samae audio file playing at the same time. press play just to check, everything should be really loud since 2 of the same audio file is playing at the same time right? ok, now find in your software something that says "phase invertion" or "invert phase" or some combination. apply that setting to ONE of those audio files... and press play. you should be hearing absolute SILENCE even though meters are moving and audio is playing. now try bringing one of the volume faders down for one of the audio files. you should hear the audio slowly coming up in volume. THIS is the phenomenon of PHASE CANCELATION!

lets say you have an instrumental track of a band and a full mixed track with instruments and vocals. do the same thing to the above, flip the phase of one while they are playing at the same time and all you hear now is the VOCALS!

so back to the dvd, you are listening to just the center channel right? but it has music and sound effects in the background. what can you do!?!? this is how you will get any unwanted audio out off that dvd of yours. you extract the left and right channels of the dvd, extract the center channel, import them and make sure they are playing together PERFECTLY TOGETHER down to the .00001th of a millisecond. flip the phase of the center channel and hit play. you will hear some weird stuff going on but you're not done yet. save that mix as an audio file as well then import it into your session. re-filp the vocals back in phase and then flip the newly imported audio out of phase and play everything together. finally, you should hear just the vocals by themselves with maybe a little bit of weird stuff in the background. and there you go, you should have a much more usable audio file!