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I don't think he's a BAD singer, I just don't think he's a GREAT singer.
Rick Altzi new lead singer of Thunderstone
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I don't think he's a BAD singer, I just don't think he's a GREAT singer.
Thats my view too. Calling a singer horrible is something that should be done with care. There are horrible vocalists out there, but horrible vocalists don't get recruited to sing for At Vance and Thunderstone. Altzi is unremarkable at worst, competent at best. I dare say there are a few Intromental bands that would be improved by the addition of Altzi. Not that Claus has bad singers on his roster, only that many of them are not as good as Altzi, IMO.
Claus / Intromental
20 years of uniting the powers of metal
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, and if you think some of the singers I work with are worse than Altzi, then that's fine w me. But why should I be more careful about what I say than anyone else? When I post here (or on any other board) about bands not related to my company, I do that as a MUSIC FAN like everyone else, and thus I should be allowed to state my opinion like anyone else here.
Bringing in my abilities to sing or not - or saying "hey, you have a masters degree in agricultural science so you're not allowed to comment on vocalists" - is ridiculous and doesn't have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the subject. That's plain stupidity, and can only come from someone connected to said band or vocalist. Let's see who the guy is who didn't dare to post under his own name and so far only have made two posts on the forum using that handle he does tonight ...
But why should I be more careful about what I say than anyone else?
Not you personally. You are as entitled to your opinion as any fan. I meant that the word "horrible" is so strong that it should be used with care by anyone. With all of the metal singers that can't carry a tune or try to hit notes only dogs can hear and fail, it's hard for me to consider Altzi to be that bad.
Not you personally. You are as entitled to your opinion as any fan. I meant that the word "horrible" is so strong that it should be used with care by anyone. With all of the metal singers that can't carry a tune or try to hit notes only dogs can hear and fail, it's hard for me to consider Altzi to be that bad.
AMBR
Metal Grandma
Blah, blah, blah, but really, "horrible"? A bit over the top. Still I guess you entitled but that description is a bit much. Altzi's got a lot of talent and ability though it isn't up to par with what is needed for AtVance or maybe, Thunderstone. As for your singing; damn silly point to add to any argument, and I hope I never have to hear it debated.
Pellaz
Tigron of Immanion
Maybe because, right over there on the left side, it clearly says "Claus / Intromental."
So, in a sense, you're not posting as just some average-Joe metal fan, but as a perceived rep of a management company.
I'm just sayin'.......
Claus / Intromental
20 years of uniting the powers of metal
Right, it might be a bit over the top, but I got my point across - I don't like his vocals
Claus / Intromental
20 years of uniting the powers of metal
I've had this discussion probably once every year in the last 10 when posting on various metal forums - and on a different board I actually went through the hassle of registering with both Claus and Claus/Intromental, but people still didn't see the difference between the two. Since I am just another "average-Joe metal fan" when posting about bands not related to me, I really should be entitled to state my opinion, shouldn't I? As Bob said, I'm not known to hide my opinion, rather I always come straight out with how I feel on various subjects and that's who I am - the moment I start to be "nice" just to please everyone is the moment I loose my integrity towards myself and those who know me ... and I sure ain't gonna do that over a discussion on a second rate metal singer.
c.
Hi everyone!
Thanks for standing up for me, but i agree with Claus everyone is entitled to have their own opinion whether they like it or not.
Claus taste of singers are far away from the ideal i have regarding singers, and it´s nothing i can do to change it. I couldn´t
care less what a hobby writer/manager or what ever think about by voice, i know by the hundreds of good reviews the last year,
that not everybody share Claus opinion/taste in singers. I´m not gonna waste any more energy banging my head to the wall
trying to change anyones opinion, as i said before everyone is entitled to have their own opinion/taste.
To those who do like my voice, come to ProgPower UK 28-29 march and i promise you a great consert!!
/Rick
Thanks for standing up for me, but i agree with Claus everyone is entitled to have their own opinion whether they like it or not.
Claus taste of singers are far away from the ideal i have regarding singers, and it´s nothing i can do to change it. I couldn´t
care less what a hobby writer/manager or what ever think about by voice, i know by the hundreds of good reviews the last year,
that not everybody share Claus opinion/taste in singers. I´m not gonna waste any more energy banging my head to the wall
trying to change anyones opinion, as i said before everyone is entitled to have their own opinion/taste.
To those who do like my voice, come to ProgPower UK 28-29 march and i promise you a great consert!!
/Rick
Claus / Intromental
20 years of uniting the powers of metal
Well said Rick - I'm just not a fan of your voice, and I should be entitled to my opinion.
Good luck with your new job in Thunderstone. No matter what I think of your voice, you've got fans out there and a band that pays you to sing for them. The good thing about music is that it's totally different to everyone who listens, some people like one thing, other people like something else.
Cheers,
Claus
Rick, while you're here, can you tell us if you'll be singing for both bands, or will Thunderstone's schedule require you to leave At Vance?
Both bands are recording aprox. 1 cd every 18 month, touring about 20-30days/year, so im convinced that this aint gonna be any problems. As you might know Olaf and i already started working on the next album thats gonna be called "VIII"!!! Just kidding
/Rick
Cool. Do you contribute to the songwriting in At Vance? Because I thought VII was a step up in songwriting over the last couple of albums. I also think Thunderstone is in need of some new ideas as well. The last album didn't really do it for me like the first three did.
http://www.myspace.com/thunderstoneband
Thunderstone has posted "Holding on to My Pain" with Altzi on vocals. I think he's a decent singer, but singing a song that Pasi has already recorded is not going to convince anyone. He's not even coming close to Pasi's range or power on this song.
To quote a frequent Simon Cowell criticism- "You're not bad, there's just nothing about your performance that I'll remember ten minutes from now."
Thunderstone has posted "Holding on to My Pain" with Altzi on vocals. I think he's a decent singer, but singing a song that Pasi has already recorded is not going to convince anyone. He's not even coming close to Pasi's range or power on this song.
To quote a frequent Simon Cowell criticism- "You're not bad, there's just nothing about your performance that I'll remember ten minutes from now."
Pasi is a great singer, so is Mats Levén and i will never try to sound like them, i just do my thing and some people like it some don´t. This is tests, recorded in my livingroom for the guys in thunderstone to listen to, but are now posted on Thunderstones homepage, if you haven´t heard them here they are.
http://www.thunderstone.org/Forevermore_clip.mp3
http://www.thunderstone.org/Roots_clip.mp3
http://www.thunderstone.org/Forevermore_clip.mp3
http://www.thunderstone.org/Roots_clip.mp3
Well, I do like it and will certainly buy the new album from both At Vance and Thunderstone. And your voice does fit what they are doing quite well. Metal isn't always about having the best range, lots of respected metal singers out there who use emotion or menace rather than hitting impossible notes. And you can always get better. Pasi was only mediocre on the first album, IMO, but he really got better with each album.
At Vance's website described you as "soulful". I'd say that's a pretty decent description.
At Vance's website described you as "soulful". I'd say that's a pretty decent description.
The Fiddler
Just Do It.
I stopped listening to them (At Vance) when Oliver Hartmann left the band a few discs ago. Oliver's last disc with them, "Only Human" is easily may favorite of his works the band. Post-Hartmann stuff is fine, but Hartmann's voice isn't easy to replace.
I've listened to the new Thunderstone with Altzi and I'm certainly liking it - I heard a lot of body and texture in his voice like Pasi's and think he's a good fit, and obviously, so does Nino.
http://www.thunderstone.org/Forevermore_clip.mp3
http://www.thunderstone.org/Roots_clip.mp3
I've listened to the new Thunderstone with Altzi and I'm certainly liking it - I heard a lot of body and texture in his voice like Pasi's and think he's a good fit, and obviously, so does Nino.
http://www.thunderstone.org/Forevermore_clip.mp3
http://www.thunderstone.org/Roots_clip.mp3
I stopped listening to them (At Vance) when Oliver Hartmann left the band a few discs ago. Oliver's last disc with them, "Only Human" is easily may favorite of his works the band
Yeah, I think Only Human was At Vance's best disc as well. But I did think VII was better than any of the Levens-fronted discs. Which is why I'm wondering if Altzi had a positive contribution to the songwriting. Thunderstone needs some help, so if Altzi improves the song quality it more than makes up for not being able to match Pasi's vocal talents.
Yeah, I think Only Human was At Vance's best disc as well. But I did think VII was better than any of the Levens-fronted discs. Which is why I'm wondering if Altzi had a positive contribution to the songwriting. Thunderstone needs some help, so if Altzi improves the song quality it more than makes up for not being able to match Pasi's vocal talents.
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