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[The Grimace]

Iced Earth have been mediocre as fuck ever since Burnt Offerings.

Well, yeah, but actively sucking ass is much worse than being just "mediocre".

 

[anonymousnick2001]

True. But it still wasn't Ripper's fault.

 

[AjDeath]

The fault lies with Schaffer's triplets of doom, and his massive ego. God he is a douche.

 

[The Grimace]

True. But it still wasn't Ripper's fault.

It was Schaffer's fault. But Ripper did cause it. Like if the driver of an Elephant Truck opened the back of his rig and an Elephant fell out and crushed someone. The Elephant caused the dude to get crushed, but it was the drivers fault.

That was weird.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

*pictures Schaffer dropping Tim Owens on someone*

 

[The Grimace]

How fat is Ripper nowadays, anyway?

 

[byrne]

I liked horror show.

 

[skeptik]

SWTWC and Horror Show are just as bad as The Glorious Blunder. And no, input is not the same as influence under any circumstances whatsoever, you baffoon. Input is saying "HAY JON LETZ PUT TIHS RIFF HEAR" and things of the like. I already mentioned that the only input he had was assisting in lyrics to one song. The knowledge that Ripper would possibly do vocals may or may not have influenced the way that Schaffer wrote (though it's just as likely that it didn't than that it actually did), but Ripper had no input, and Schaffer sure as hell wrote the album by himself. Schaffer's the man you're after, not Ripper. The same scenario for Priest. Tipton is your man. He wrote the riffs.

 

[Necro Joe]

In the context of this argument it doesn't matter whether he had any imput, you're arguing that he didn't cause a change in IE, they're saying he did (albeit indirectly). It really comes down to whether you thought Burden was a big step down from Horror Show or not, if you think it was then it isn't unreasonable to wonder whether Owens coming on board was the reason for it. Not that I care. I'm with the people who think they've been boring since Burnt Offerings.

 

[Necro Joe]

Although thinking back to the beginning of this thread if gr is saying that he also messed up Preist then there would need to be something somewhere that suggested Tipton changed the material he was writing to fit with Owen's style, and I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist.

 

[skeptik]

I'm arguing that Ripper didn't make Iced Earth suck. He didn't. Schaffer wrote the riffs. The Glorious Burden is the natural (d)evolution of the band from its previous works, not the sudden influence of the departing of one singer and the introduction of another. It's entirely "A John Schaffer Corp. Production." I know that I'm the one that brought up the fact that maybe Schaffer decided to write more for the direction of Ripper's vocals, but honestly, that's a crock of shit. A lot of the material is fairly old, well before Barlow left, and probably before he was thinking about it. The only song that can be argued that it geared toward Ripper is "Red Baron, Blue Max," because he helped with the lyrics. The rest is a solid testament to the degradation of musical credibility of one John Schaffer, and not the murder of a musical giant by a doomed singer.

 

[Necro Joe]

Well from what I read above I though there was some sort of rumor that Schaffer wrote the stuff with Owens in mind, my bad I guess. Though if it was more than just speculation it would be a valid point, no one made IE suck, according to a lot of people they're still a great band, but if you think their quality dropped sharply after Horror Show then you could argue Owens was partly to blame (for the gayness of Schaffer's writing).

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

I'll have to get the Glorious Burden sometime....

 

[plaguewilder]

Don't bother with TGB.....get Night of the Stormrider and call it good

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

I'll make that decision for myself, thank you.

 

[plaguewilder]

Aye Aye Captain!!!! What is it with this board and all the little elitist scenesters?? All I was saying was that TGB is not all that great.......anyway.......

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

Well.....I have two Iced Earth albums. I liked the song I heard from The Glorious Burden....but since the opinions seem to be quite mixed on the album, I'll get it at some point.

Oh, and I saw them on the tour with CoB, Ripper definitely has charisma.....but I almost died, they played so long. That was just because I was standing so long though.

 

[AjDeath]

It really isn't mixed, that album is one big patriotic egofest, and is quite shitty. What you should really do is buy the boxed set Dark Genesis and call it good, because all of IE's good material comprises it.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

Actually, I recommended the Glorious Burden to my history teacher back when it came out, she liked it.

 

[AsModEe]

I wouldn't say Iced Earth's suckage is Ripper's fault... SW was a big let down, then Horror Show came and it was an improvement and finally, TGB came and it was just fucking boring. I don'T recommend anyone to buy TGB. I was a pretty big IE fan until that album arrived on the shelves.