Saviour Machine - latest update

[sh0kr0k]

I have a question ... will I go to hell if I illegally download some of Saviour Machine's material? I'm a bit conflicted and all seeing how they are a religious band I promise to buy something if I actually like it. Judging from the various clips it's at least somewhat interesting sounding.


Britt

LOL! Yes, you're totally go to Hell for that. Well, you will for illegal downloading anyway, but there's a special realm reserved for people like you, sinner!

 

[edgeofthorns]

What I heard on Ayreon's THE was pretty cool. Good deep voice.

Is that the ONLY place Clayton sang without the Jesus junk gunking it up?

And Thanks for that YouTube video, Glenn.

Ben, I'd be a total hypocrite if I told you that you should listen to SM and not let the Christian based lyrics bother you. Why? Because I hold the same stance against listening to Black Metal. I simply don't intend on listening to it, due to the Satanic references, etc. As far as any other avenues to listen to Clayton, Ayreon is the only one I'm aware of as well.

~Brian~

 

[edgeofthorns]

You must be hiding your fire and brimstone tendencies very well, then.

I'm not sure about the fire and brimstone, but I don't hide my faith. With that said, I try not to cram it down other people's throats. As for Saviour Machine, I never pegged them as "preachy". They for sure don't fit the "cookie cutter, Christian artists" mold!

~Brian~

 

[edgeofthorns]

I have a question ... will I go to hell if I illegally download some of Saviour Machine's material? I'm a bit conflicted and all seeing how they are a religious band I promise to buy something if I actually like it. Judging from the various clips it's at least somewhat interesting sounding.


Britt

Britt, just ask yourself, What Would King Diamond Do?

~Brian~

 

[OrbWeaver]

I'm not sure about the fire and brimstone, but I don't hide my faith. With that said, I try not to cram it down other people's throats. As for Saviour Machine, I never pegged them as "preachy". They for sure don't fit the "cookie cutter, Christian artists" mold!

~Brian~

Without getting to much into semantics, I'll just clarify by stating that if you're a fundamentalist, as you say, you are certainly not what I, and most people, think of when they hear "fundamentalist Christian."

I never thought of SM as preachy either. I just thought of them as good music, and an entertaining (if shocking the first time due to not being warned what to expect) stage show. It's just all around good metal, IMO.

 

[Mr. Zane of HW]

But it keeps somebody who REALLY isn't into the religious music stuff (specifically Christianity) away from trying.

I was asking if there are OTHER avenues to explore his talents WITHOUT being swallowed up by his theological preferences.

I believe so. But I believe he created a truly magnificent work of art with the Legion series. Thier live delivery is very intense as well. The youtube clips do not do them proper justice.

 

[J. Golden]

It has always been hard for me to accept a lot of Christian bands because off their overly evangelical approach. However these guys were just amazing. I always thought they would forever stay at a cult status though.
The perfect blend of 'Rage for Order' Queensryche and the Cure...Good stuff.

 

[madFive]

SM has been one of my favorite bands for the longest time, but I've lost a lot of interest in the last few years due to their prolonged silence. That last video clip from Eric was truly disheartening, but after doing a little more research, I'm still hopeful that he'll pull through and make music again some day.

If you've ever seen the live DVD (which I HIGHLY recommend), they have some pretty gripping stage activities, including splashing fake blood on a flag of the United Nations, and (possibly, although I don't remember) the United States. Its a pretty intense show, especially for a Christian band.

Yes! SM's live shows are like nothing you will see elsewhere. Gwar and old-school Alice Cooper come to mind as having similar theatrical presence, but obviously SM takes that energy in a completely different direction (and has nowhere near the same budget). Lots of blood, some religious symbols, and in the apocalyptic material: a lot of world flags. The US flag, Israeli, Iraqi, Russian, and several others have been given the bloody treatment. The UN flag they actually burned in one of their shows! Still surprised they didn't catch more flack for that one, but if you pay attention, it fits the apocalyptic reference alarmingly well.

I have a question ... will I go to hell if I illegally download some of Saviour Machine's material?

um... not if you weren't already. Their disks are extremely hard to find these days - several are out of print, so I don't think they would mind too much. SM is really hurting for cash lately though (the main reason they still haven't finished III:II) so if you can find the disks for sale, pick them up asap! You won't regret it.

Edit: NM, not as hard to find as I thought. Yes, you will go to hell if you pirate these.
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Saviour-Machine-I/dp/B0000086HS/"]SM:I[/ame][ame="http://www.amazon.com/Saviour-Machine-II/dp/B0000086HT/"]SM:II[/ame]
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Pt-1-Saviour-MacHine/dp/B000023Y0X/"]Legend I[/ame][ame="http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Pt-2-Saviour-Machine/dp/B000023Y2S/"]Legend II[/ame][ame="http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Pt-3-1-Saviour-Machine/dp/B00005O43U/"]Legend III:I[/ame]


I'd recommend starting w/ SM:II - best music, least confusing.

 

[sh0kr0k]

^ I disagree, start with Legend I if you're following the story. If not, then go with Legend II.

Also keep in mind these not "metal" albums. They're sometimes mellow though intense (if that makes sense), sometimes bombastic, sometimes brooding, and always passionate. Think of it as "a gothic rock opera." You're probably not going to rock out to them, but hopefully they will move you and/or cause you to think in some way, whether spiritually, politically, socially, or what-have-you. There are a few songs on Legend I that move me to tears every single time.

 

[Sir Exar Kun]

SM really has two very different "eras" if you will. SM I, SM II, and the s/t demo all are rather user-friendly prog metal. Very heavy on the technical playing, but oftentimes subtle underneath the vocal melodies. Songs are rather traditional in their structure, and you can easily pick a couple songs out of an album as favorites.

The Legend saga is focused far more on the story as a whole than on individual songs. Melodies are much more subtle, although frequently recurring, and the albums are DEEP in storyline. These albums are significantly more complex, and require a lot more concentration. Not the type of album you through in the car and listen to ten minutes at a time......

I enjoy both epochs, but truly.... I miss the early material. I have been anxious to see the conclusion of the Legend saga, and am still hoping to see what Eric has up his sleeve afterwards, as I expect it to be something different still.

 

[Claus / Intromental]

SM really has two very different "eras" if you will. SM I, SM II, and the s/t demo all are rather user-friendly prog metal. Very heavy on the technical playing, but oftentimes subtle underneath the vocal melodies. Songs are rather traditional in their structure, and you can easily pick a couple songs out of an album as favorites.

The Legend saga is focused far more on the story as a whole than on individual songs. Melodies are much more subtle, although frequently recurring, and the albums are DEEP in storyline. These albums are significantly more complex, and require a lot more concentration. Not the type of album you through in the car and listen to ten minutes at a time......

EXACTLY!!!! You can easily divide Saviour Machine into those two eras:
- the basic/"traditional" prog metal days of the first albums, leaning towards a Qryche meets Depeche Mode style
- the symphonic/orchestral trance-like prog days of the later albums, probably most comparable to bands such as Lord Bane, Amaseffer or even Therion.

I prefer the first era, but the second era sure does have its merits too.

c.

 

[SeaStorm]

You're probably not going to rock out to them, but hopefully they will move you and/or cause you to think in some way, whether spiritually, politically, socially, or what-have-you. There are a few songs on Legend I that move me to tears every single time.

Agreed. Give me a dark, otherwise-silent room and 'Legend I' and I am in an intense, special place.