Should be simple right?

[ScottCash]

I am recording/mixing a tune right now that has a section similar to this . Listen from 0:10 to about 0:30. I can not for the life of me get my guitars to sound anywhere near like what they sound like on the video. Of course I am using a PODXT and working with different patches, also the Lecto and some cab impulses. Nothing sounds right. Guess I need to dust off the amp and mikes. Anyone have any suggestions? It seems like this little riff should be so simple but there is something about those guitars that is hard to emulate. Maybe it is the bass I am hearing and need to focus there.

 

[aml4]

May be a dumb question but are you talking about the rhythm guitar or that chorus-ey lead guitar?

 

[ScottCash]

Good question. It is the rythm guitars that I am after.

 

[arv_foh]

I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that brand new eyes was JCM800

 

[aml4]

I think you might be right, it sounds like that tone is all in the bass.

 

[ScottCash]

Yeah, that is what is sounds like huh. Now if only I had a good way to get my real bass to sound like that... minus a bass amp. I've tried just going direct into the computer through my PODXT on a blank setting but it doesn't have the same snap. Anyone have any tricks?

 

[icos]

It sounds like the rhythn riff is played on one of higher strings of the bass, I'm guessing with fingers. I almost never get the right bass tone without splitting the signal into high and low with hpf and lpf and treating them both differently (amps and cabs). Almost always end up using pretty clean di on low end, then guitar amp and bass cab for the mid range. That said, I could be hearing it differently due to youtube quality.....

 

[Pekka Posio]

You should post a clip of your track, cause I seriously think the problem is in the playing or then you have too much gain. Can't guess what's wrong without hearing it

 

[Revson]

I'm pretty sure the cab is dual/triple mic'd as well. IIRC it's an sm57 and a Neumann 87 and maybe one more, but it's been a while.

 

[heshian46]

I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that brand new eyes was JCM800

This song wasn't tracked during the brand new eyes sessions. Rob Cavallo tracked it back in 08'.

I think i remember reading the deets on this track on a thread from way back.

 

[ScottCash]

Here is a sinppet of the part I was mentioning. Similar characteristics as the Paramore tune. Just can't seem to get it to sound right.

Snippet

 

[LeSedna]

Sound is too tight. Is that an active pickup ? You should try with a passive guitar. Also, it's in the technique. You might wanna play with your hand a little more "loose" (while still playing tight as in "in good tempo") and being less aggressive on the strings. It should make the sound more "round". With some marshall emulation, it should sound ok.

 

[LeSedna]

Oh and the position of the palm mute is crucial there. Try playing with your palm closer to the bridge. The closer it is to the bridge, the more it lets the "boomy" part of the strings sound talk. You could try that as well !

 

[ScottCash]

Thanks. Yeah the pickup is a Seymour Duncan I dropped in an early 90's Ibanez. I am thinking I might want to bring out my Fender Strat and the Blues Deville for a more subtle tone. I'll also try a little less attack on the technique. Let me try that and see if that works.

 

[XnaySaturo]

Maybe more high mids on the bass? The separation between the two is too big for what you're looking for. (IMO you actually got a fucking great sound, but that's not what you're looking for =P)

 

[ScottCash]

Well I tried the old school method with the Strat and Deville and it went horribly wrong. Sounded like Stevie Ray on an acid trip. So, back to the sims. Man, out of all my experiences recording stuff I never would have pegged this particular rythm sound to be the one to crush me. I might just go buy a really good bass amp this weekend. The more I listen to it the more the bass stands out. I have yet to find a good bass amp sim.

 

[ScottCash]

Well, I think with the equip I have this is about as good as it is gonna get.

Snippet2

 

[Ronixis]

sounds better already

 

[kool98769]

Well, I think with the equip I have this is about as good as it is gonna get.

Snippet2

I'd suggest playing it a little more loose, and adding in some mids to the tone.