I've seen this term used in a couple of other threads and now I need to know... any tips for getting an ambient (as I like to call it) track of the snare without relying on the overheads? Mic placement, eq, etc. I want to know it. By the way, I am a complete novice but the guy at the studio isn't so any ideas you've got I'll listen to them.
Snare "air"
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If you have an extra mic then you can just set it up as far as possible in the space, but strive for about 5-10 feet from the kit, and try to point it in the area that the snare is in. The more mics you can use as room mics, the better. Thats the best/easiest way that I can think of.
If the room sucks I have done this in the past...duplicate the OH tracks and eq/comp/whatever is needed to bring the snare out more in the track and then turn it down real low and start bringing it up until it's the right amount to blend in. Another way is to really work on the reverb for the snare. If you set it just right it won't sound like it was done afterwards and sound more like there is some room sound in it.
I'm sure some of the other guys have some different techniques, this is just what has worked for me in the past.
~006
If the room sucks I have done this in the past...duplicate the OH tracks and eq/comp/whatever is needed to bring the snare out more in the track and then turn it down real low and start bringing it up until it's the right amount to blend in. Another way is to really work on the reverb for the snare. If you set it just right it won't sound like it was done afterwards and sound more like there is some room sound in it.
I'm sure some of the other guys have some different techniques, this is just what has worked for me in the past.
~006
The reason I choose not to mess with the room mics for the snare sound is simply because I cannot eq it with any isolation. As soon as I bring up the highs on the snare, it is bringing up the highs on everything else. I understand trying to duplicate the track and single out the snare more, it works better but I still run into that same problem. My room mics pick up everything. I want to have complete control over how that reverb sounds and whatever it takes to get it, I'll do.
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To achieve the isolation ability you crave, you may be better off using plugin/outboard reverb.
Melodeath
Moonbow
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
OH NOE4S.
Melodeath
Moonbow
I read through the whole Recording Acoustic Drums thread, and sidechaining was mentioned and people kept asking what it was, but I never saw an explanation haha
EDIT: Ok, I looked up sidechaining on wikipedia, so I have a better understanding of what it is. Feel free to explain it though if you like - particularly for those (many) who still don't know what it is. Of course, I'd also be interested.
EDIT: Ok, I looked up sidechaining on wikipedia, so I have a better understanding of what it is. Feel free to explain it though if you like - particularly for those (many) who still don't know what it is. Of course, I'd also be interested.
C_F_H_13
Protools Guru
exactly....or use automation/editing to clean up everything but the snare hits in a specific room mic.
or....
get the drummer to give you a few snare hits for samples....cut up the cool room mics as a snare hit and mix it underneath your real snare.
Maybe use the mid from a good M/S plugin on the two overheads and bring that up when the snare is hit?
Jeff
Jeff
Try to lowpass the room mics around 4-5 khz, you'll get more balanced high frequencies that won't kill your drum sound when raising them, and all the drums will come to life.
greyskull
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Yeah you should be able to bring the room out by duplicated the OH tracks and tinkering with them to end up being snare room mics...I've done this before without having problems. You just have to know how to gate, sidechain to a gate and EQ everything the right amount...
~006
~006
mikko/boogie
Tortellini Twister
I'd try reamping the snare. This is pure theory for me I might add. Haven't worked with it yet, but I really want see what reamping drums can bring 'round next time I record. Might be worth a shot for ya...
I also found this article on creative snare recording pretty inspiring:
http://emusician.com/tutorials/emusic_old_two_four/
I also found this article on creative snare recording pretty inspiring:
http://emusician.com/tutorials/emusic_old_two_four/
