Sneaptastic!

[Pman]

Hey, I never suggested I could do better! I just said I don't really like it.

For me, when you listen to Pantera's live album, or Stormtroopers Of Death, it actually sounds live, whereas that Arch Enemy doesn't. If you take a bunch of triggered tracks and clean guitars, and then process them all in the studio, you basically end up with something that to my ears sounds like a singer performing to a backing track - which I don't like. If I was worried about the band sounding perfect, I wouldn't be buying their live album.

Basically, if I'd been at a gig where the band recorded, and the live album sounded like that, I'd be disappointed - because it wouldn't remind me of being there. I had the same problem with Killswitch Engage's live DVD. Will Haven's live DVD is the exact opposite; the sound isn't great, but it feels exactly like being there.

Seriously man, what you've done sounds great - it's more the way of doing it I'm not keen on. It's a personal preference thing, not a dig at your work.

Steve

very nice point

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

It kills me when I here the superbowl crowd looped under the track, a constant haaarrrrrggghhhh.

Like on this Sabbat video disc ?

 

[Carcass29]

Holy Shit that sounds awesome

 

[Andy Sneap]

no but we did have to dub a crowd at one point on that where the reels got changed over. you can tell, totally high pitched and different sounding.

 

[felipe-x]

man i can wait for the dvd .. i will cut my vains if i dont get it this month!!


andy sneap ... i need that you record the 2nd album of myband ...!! we are frrom south america..

www.myspace.com/bloodlusst666

 

[Nebulous]

Myband, myspace. Greedy musician.........

EDIT: nice song BTW.

 

[felipe-x]

It's surprising when you throw the faders up on a live recording how little sound the audience makes during songs. It kills me when I here the superbowl crowd looped under the track, a constant haaarrrrrggghhhh.

just mix the crowd like if they where another instrument

 

[Nebulous]

just mix the crowd like if they where another instrument

GOLD

 

[Nebulous]

.....or auto tune the crowd to the main melody

 

[Jackal_Strain]

Great! Now WE're telling andy how to his job!:Smug:

 

[Nebulous]

...wha?? I think i just saw a pig soar by......

 

[felipe-x]

lol...


and did you use drumagog for this live drum i supose?

 

[Andy Sneap]

felipe, did you read what i said about crowd and lack of noise within songs? The band and I are real happy with the finished thing, it's definately one of the better live mixes I feel I've been able to do so I'm looking forward to seeing the finished thing. Oh and whats the issue about drumagog? Daniels triggering kicks live anyway.....

 

[Nebulous]

Hey Andy, has Daniel triggered his kicks for the whole of the Doomsday tour? When they played in Oz i saw them with an "pro" engineer friend, and during the sound check Daniel hit the kick, and i turned to my mate and said "triggered" (with a stupidlly huge smile on my face) and he looked at me (with one of those WTF? looks) and said, "na man, acoustic"....?

 

[Nebulous]

I realise I'll probably be burned at the stake for saying this, but listening to that Arch Enemy clip through headphones sounded like listening to some angry Goth chick singing karaoke - the music sounds exactly like the albums (bone dry) but the vocals are drenched in reverb and to my ears they just don't blend in at all.

Either make it sound like a live band (which is good) or make it sound like studio recording (which I think is pointless), but don't try and mix the two.

Steve

While i can see that as a valid point, i dont know if id like a "live" mix with AE. I just dont think it would sound right. Go for your lifew with say Dream Theater, but not AE, imo.

 

[Ermz]

Was this the same 'engineering friend' that claimed Andy's kick sound couldn't be achieved acoustically...? . Seems like he's trying to be contradictory for the sake of it.

 

[kaomao]

Andy, just a question!
In a live situation is there any way to mic the crowd? I mean putting pair of mic aiming at the crowd for capturing the crowd roar.
I just wondered how people do it. a lot of live has this big crowd screaming and that's great.
Great work on this dvd, I'm not a big fan of arch enemy music but production wise the had always a great sound .

 

[Ermz]

We just placed a mic down near the FOH console when we recorded one of Leo Sayer's gigs, kao. Anything works really, as long as you aim it at the crowd more than the stage.

I've heard omnis on the ceiling work well too.

 

[Rez_brp]

Arch Enemy certainly didn't sound that good the few times I saw them live!!!

The 3 times I've seen them they have always had quite a poor live sound... all kick, snare and vocals.

This is what I wanted them to sound like though

 

[kaomao]

I was talking about all their albums with Sneap, actually I never seen them live.