Lethe78
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I totally agree. I watched a few of them when I was a mid to late teenager, and I was particularilly bothered by it. My brother, however, got right off on that shit.
Snuff Movies..
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manuelgv said:
1. again, i never said i enjoy it. (and i dont care if other people do.)
2."Knowing that people record this stuff and sells them for lots of money makes me sad to see what the world is coming to,this has existed for a long time I know,but since it became "cool" and "tough" with a lot of people makes me sad."
thats part of the psychological things that i'm talking about, this is part of the shitty world, it's not just the horrible movie, it's every littel thing around them, i'm still human and sometimes it do makes me sad but i'm 100% know that i cant do anything about it, so i'm trying to learn as much as i can and i'm absolutely not trying to be cool, because if i wanted to be cool i could ask my reality friends about it and make them know that watching this stuff, but i didnt because i dont want them to know about it. and you know what makes me feel "cool"?
being me, and watch the movies although everything, and try to learn everything that i can, without all the pose around.
3. "Maybe we see this kinda things in the news,movies and tv;but the difference is that when in the news it's something real that happens,but not something they celebrate or play for people to enjoy,and on movies it's never real.You know the guy is alive after that(except for Brandon Lee)"
do you really care about the people that die every day?
no. and dont tell me that yes because it will be lie.
did you ever think that maybe this is the reason that the snuff movies going out?
because people want more brutality and more real then the movies.. everything have a reason i think that this is a big part of the reasons, and the part that people making money from other people live
this is the horrible part, not the part that the people died because they wont feel anything anymore..
it's like seeing woman after she raped, the first thing that people can describe after they seeing woman that raped is "i saww her, she was bleeding and her clothes was ripped"
but why the hell is it that important that her clothes was ripped?
think about how she feeling right now, the raped is over, but she is stuck with extreme feeling of "i'm nnothing"
what i'm trying to say is that there is much more than just what we see.
rotten_doll said:
From www.dictionary.com:
I'd think it's far to say that your mental state is at least somewhat retarded if you for any reason go out of your way to find snuff films.... regardless of whether you say you 'enjoy' them or not...... wouldn't you?
(Though why someone would go looking for something they out-and-out HATE is beyond me...
)Spike
i love snuff movies, i donesnt bother me if i see a person getting killed or raped, i hate the human race, so i dont bother me. but thats just me, and i know i am a sick twisted individual, and i enjoy being that way
Wandrail
I'm your Huckleberry
I love these conversations on here, because os many people into metal are kids with no real understanding of anything and certainly no experience in 'what the world is like'. I watched that stuff when I was a kid all interested in death, not really feeling anything about the human loss or suffering. Its called ignorance, and it is safe to use the word retarded if you consider yoruself an adult, because you should be in touch with basic human feeling. People who have no sense of empathy, have no ability to place themselves in the stead of another, belong in the looney bin, where they can't hurt normal people. Like in that movie Sling Blade. Mm-Hm.
Spike said:From www.dictionary.com:
I'd think it's far to say that your mental state is at least somewhat retarded if you for any reason go out of your way to find snuff films.... regardless of whether you say you 'enjoy' them or not...... wouldn't you?
(Though why someone would go looking for something they out-and-out HATE is beyond me...
Spike
after this post you're talking about MY mental state
i'm really sorry that i have to say it , spike, but not matter how least my mental state will be, you will always be under me, for judging MY mental state, and the person that i am.
who are you to judge people anyway?!!!
(or maybe sould i ask what are you?!)
Wandrail
I'm your Huckleberry
I have to interject something -
About judging people, everyone judges everyone else, by these standards. Rotten Doll is judging someone for his behavior...i.e. being judgmental. But that's who he is. How dare anyone judge him for judging someone! ...See what a stupid idea relativism is?
About judging people, everyone judges everyone else, by these standards. Rotten Doll is judging someone for his behavior...i.e. being judgmental. But that's who he is. How dare anyone judge him for judging someone! ...See what a stupid idea relativism is?
hmm....
okay then
if you really think that i judge him,
quote me the words, the sentence, or the post...
okay then
if you really think that i judge him,
quote me the words, the sentence, or the post...
Wandrail
I'm your Huckleberry
rotten_doll said:
I would say its right around the "You will always be under me" statement. See, I think that's fine for you to say that. I think its ridiculous however, to think that anything you can convince yourself is okay is right and that no one can say anything about it. If society were like that, there would be no order, it would be chaotic, and society is both a microcosm of the world and human existence, and a macrocosm of each person's private interactions. Don't be upset someone has been judgmental, especially not by your own relativistic standards, because he or she is simply doing what you do, following what, in your mind, you have no problem with for whatever reason. The fact is, basic human feeling and understanding of death and loss wouldcause people to react in a disgusted manner to your would-be hobby of watching people die. They aren't even dying for a reason, 'snuff films' eludes to MURDER. Many times RAPE. These violate a persons basic, inalienable rights ans men and women, so, when you profess to enjoy watching something that affects us all like that, expect to be judged. Actions speak louder than words. Jeffery Dahmer was a nice guy. Thus ends the rant about relativism - conclusion? Its dumb and impossible to adhere to as an ideology.
you will always be under me?
thats my feelings.
maybe if i will tell his
"you will always be under me, everyone can say that, and i dont like you because blah blah..."
that will be judge him.
because i didnt said anything about what he is
only about the stupidity that people can tell me what i'm, how i think,
the sad thing here is that i really understand they're side, and i'm opening to try understand what the real problem is, but everything that most of the people here doing is to try make me look stupid littel girl? or whatever and not to check why do i say things like that, why do i behave like that, just attacking and try to prove something that i dont know what is he
i'm not judging him, because i do understand what is he and everyone here thinking about it and feeling about it
i just dont understand why do he say things like he said
and thats not ending, people keep attacking without any good reason.
and go back now to the first page
then look one of the post that i posted, i asked Lolita Vampiriá sorry if this thread disturb her, it was one of the first post in the first page
it could end there, and no more talking about things like that
but no, people feel that attacking is okay, i only trid to be nice as i can, but i wont let people say something about my Mental State and i dont want people think i'm retarded because of my opinion
i trid to end this thread, but look how it looks now.
thats my feelings.
maybe if i will tell his
"you will always be under me, everyone can say that, and i dont like you because blah blah..."
that will be judge him.
because i didnt said anything about what he is
only about the stupidity that people can tell me what i'm, how i think,
the sad thing here is that i really understand they're side, and i'm opening to try understand what the real problem is, but everything that most of the people here doing is to try make me look stupid littel girl? or whatever and not to check why do i say things like that, why do i behave like that, just attacking and try to prove something that i dont know what is he
i'm not judging him, because i do understand what is he and everyone here thinking about it and feeling about it
i just dont understand why do he say things like he said
and thats not ending, people keep attacking without any good reason.
and go back now to the first page
then look one of the post that i posted, i asked Lolita Vampiriá sorry if this thread disturb her, it was one of the first post in the first page
it could end there, and no more talking about things like that
but no, people feel that attacking is okay, i only trid to be nice as i can, but i wont let people say something about my Mental State and i dont want people think i'm retarded because of my opinion
i trid to end this thread, but look how it looks now.
Wandrail said:I have to interject something -
About judging people, everyone judges everyone else, by these standards. Rotten Doll is judging someone for his behavior...i.e. being judgmental. But that's who he is. How dare anyone judge him for judging someone! ...See what a stupid idea relativism is?
While reading the post above your Wandrail (ie: before even getting to yours... the response I was immediately formulating in my head was almost verbatim to what you've penned dowd.... freaky
But anywho.....
If you must know rotten doll, my intent was simply to seek clarification on your definition of 'retarded', seeing as you seemed to take umbrage a being called retarded......
If we were to hold to the definition as I stated it, then I'm not judging you at all.... or to be more specific... I am stating my OPNION on the matter
...Obviously your definition of 'retarded' is significantly different from mine.... Which brings us back to relativity.
There are no absolutes.. and hence no one has the right to judge anybody (following that logic)... but you may have heard of a little something known as the popular concensus (Sp?)
Which is to say that what the majority of people hold true is generally (Not without exceptions) held to be true..... and I think you'll find that the majority of people on these forums... or jus people in general, won't be cheering you on in the continuance of your search for 'snuff'.
Well lets see:
In the first state you infer that MY mental health is of far more concern than your own... and the rest is significantly less subtle than that.
Eg: "You will always be under me"
Are we done?
Spike (Who realises that himself and rotten doll just aren't going to get along
Oh well. *Sig* )
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@rotten doll:
1. by posting a thread on a certain subject on a public forum, you must expect loads of comments against you; it would be a bit naive not to.
2. you weren't any less judgemental than spike, and wandrail (btw: welcome back ) shouldn't need to quote your messages to show you where, you're supposed to have understood what you've written and know it already.
3. "to judge someone --> be inferior than him/her" is far from being a rule. i often pass judgement over people, it's natural, sometimes i'm right and sometimes i'm wrong, it's difficult to infer a sort of classification based upon one aspect only.
4. if you aren't too bothered by seeing people while they die, i can't see how you can be bothered by someone telling you "retarded".
i'm finished.
1. by posting a thread on a certain subject on a public forum, you must expect loads of comments against you; it would be a bit naive not to.
2. you weren't any less judgemental than spike, and wandrail (btw: welcome back
) shouldn't need to quote your messages to show you where, you're supposed to have understood what you've written and know it already.3. "to judge someone --> be inferior than him/her" is far from being a rule. i often pass judgement over people, it's natural, sometimes i'm right and sometimes i'm wrong, it's difficult to infer a sort of classification based upon one aspect only.
4. if you aren't too bothered by seeing people while they die, i can't see how you can be bothered by someone telling you "retarded".
i'm finished.
DE
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Lethe78 said:
Isn't it where people kill someone that they're having sex with or something really sick and retarded like that?
DE
vote bnp
Lolita Vampiriá
Sister of Mercy
Wandrail said:
People who have no sense of empathy towards other people are called psychopaths. They usually use other people for their own purposes such as sexually perverted pleasures etc.
psy·cho·path
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n. A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.
Wandrail
I'm your Huckleberry
Lolita Vampiriá said:People who have no sense of empathy towards other people are called psychopaths. They usually use other people for their own purposes such as sexually perverted pleasures etc.
psy·cho·pathk-pth)
n. A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.
Exactly! Furthermore, how much of being in that sort of psychopathic state is a result of outside influences or the choices someone makes? Maybe someone should think twice about subjecting themselves to things that further desensitize natural empathy and feeling, because everything around you (usually as a result of your own choice) impacts your mind and your way of thinking. Besides of course something like snuff films just being bad taste in general, I would say it negatively impacts the psyche and the person overall, contributing to a more disfunctional role in society and interpersonal relationships . We almost sound like we know what we're talking about.
manuelgv
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I never said I mourn for every life lost in this world
but I know how people feels when they lose a loved one,and on those movies a lot of people die,and I am not pro human suffering.
watching those movies I learned it was a waste of time,what's the purpose? It doesn't help you accept shit,it makes you realize that horrible shit like that happens(and if you didn't know that already then wake up and smell the carcass )
and I wasn't talking about you,if you haven't noticed,I am very self centered and usually talk about me me me me me me me me!!!!
but I know how people feels when they lose a loved one,and on those movies a lot of people die,and I am not pro human suffering.
watching those movies I learned it was a waste of time,what's the purpose? It doesn't help you accept shit,it makes you realize that horrible shit like that happens(and if you didn't know that already then wake up and smell the carcass
)and I wasn't talking about you,if you haven't noticed,I am very self centered and usually talk about me me me me me me me me!!!!
