so, this newsweek thing

[deadair]

i've only got bits and parts of the story... but it seems pretty fucked up.

my first thought was, "how would they even flush that down a toilet in the first place?"

 

[xfer]

fucked up how?

i think it's crazy how so many other countries demand that the desecraters get "punished". i think they misunderstand the concept of non-totalitarian-psycho societies. you can't punish someone for flushing a Bible down a toilet, either.

 

[deadair]

last i had heard, newsweek basically got caught making it up... or mixing the story around at least.

the only reason i think it's fucked up is because they are saying that the recent rash of car bombs are in responce to that story...

but i could be wrong.

 

[FalseTodd]

they got caught having a possibly shitty source, not making it up

 

[xfer]

well, no, that's how people are desperately trying to spin it.

newsweek reported that the koran-flushing was "part of a military report".

the koran-flushing was from a military SOURCE, but was not officially written up in a report.

it's a matter of shades of grey--the story is slightly less credible than it was. it's still somewhat credible, and it's not enormously less credible than it was two weeks ago. bush & co (and his CNN stooges) are trying to make it seem like "oh, this proves the koran thing never happened!" lawyers do that shit all the time. bring in a hundred witnesses that say "Sam punched Greg", and then if one of those witnesses is like "oh, well, I HEARD the punch, I didn't actually see it" the lawyer's like "AHA! THIS PROVES SAM DID NOT PUNCH GREG!"

 

[xfer]

and like I said before, the main "stupid villains" in this whole escapade are not the koran-flushers, who didn't even necessarily commit a moral wrong (and certainly not a legal one, although they may have violated procedure), but the screamy clerics who call for jihad and the rioters in afghanistan who killed people. over a freaking book.

shit, I have a Qu'ran lying in a pile of dust under my bed with a used condom and a cigarette butt on top of it, and a Bible in similar states. they're freaking BOOKS.

 

[FalseTodd]

yeah emphasis on possibly

 

[goatschool]

i don't believe the condom bit one bit

 

[deadair]

got ya.

yeah, regardless of what ACTUALLY happened, i thought the whole "killing people" was a little out of hand.

 

[goatschool]

i mean alex says it is there.

 

[xfer]

do i have to post digital photos or will that just risk muslim wrath and murders which will be blamed on me for taking the picture instead of on the murderers

 

[goatschool]

possibly but look who mr rushdie ended up with

 

[FalseTodd]

if it happened it's not illegal it's stupid

 

[deadair]

but even if it's stupid, it's no reason to kill people...

or call for a jihad

 

[avi]

I'll jihad you! punk!

 

[xfer]

man i totally hope that flag-burning amendment doesn't pass so i can continue to make fun of people who think our country, like theirs, punishes people for badly treating inanimate objects that happen to symbolize magical concepts.

 

[lizard]

this koran crapper story is at least two years old. the right wing is trying to capitalize on this by saying "see the liberal media HATES America!"

 

[deadair]

i'm not so interested in that side of the story... the two parties hate each other, OMG!!!!

it's the fact that people are dying because of something so stupid.

 

[goatschool]

ethical lesson from a bit of CSI i had the misfortune of watching:

guy does crazy shit on a plane and gets stomped to death by adrenaline-surged passengers.

CSI gang argues over the philosophical implications of this. LORD CSI enters the room and reprimands them all, stating that the real issue is why no one bothered to find out why the man was behaving this way - destructive intent was merely assumed, a death ensues, a businessman is caught w/ 24 kilos, etc etc. roll credits, cue life-sucking music.

so life imitates ART and the question remains: did anyone bother asking why the FBI agent flushed the book down the toilet? did anyone care enough to ask??

 

[deadair]

i thought i heard/read that it was actually an inmate trying to over-flow the toilet...

but that was a few days ago... i might be remembering that wrong.