South Dakota Bans Abortion!

[Thrymfal]

a very big and interesting one too.

btw, Who is your president?

 

[PaganBlood]

SOUTH DAKOTA BANS ABORIGINALS

 

[Celtik Militia]

mmh k lol, maybe i don't want to give birth anymore .
i'll let my futur wife have the pleasure of that.

 

[ølfeen]

Tyra, really great thoughts! But after your story about prednancy i'm starting to wish i were a man, instead of a woman)))
Banning abortion is quite a stupid thing... If a woman is sure, that she won't be able to bear a healthy child and to raise it in a proper way, it's her right to kill the baby. Would the kid, who was born by a 15-year-old, in a poor family, by a mistake, with no father or with a bastard one, enjoy his life? I think it's better to be unborn =/
I still can't get, what "deep thoughts" and emotions you were talking about? At what age did you start to have those deep thoughts? One is not able to have ANY thoughts with a couple of brain cells, one even can't have them, when he's not able to speak and to understand what other people say. So there are no deep thoughts in baby's heads. And the baby, that wasn't yet born is still a part of his mother, so it's her right to get rid of it in the sake of the kid, first of all.

People kill bacterias/insects/animals... And it's considered to be alright.
From the moment of conception up to the moment of birth the man develops from a kind of a bacteria up to a small human. So i don't see any sin in killing it until it hasn't grown into a human, that hardly has any chance to live a normal life. Who is destined to be raised in a family, that wished they had killed it, if abortion hadn't been banned.

 

[Tyra]

Here's something very philosophical/theory of knowledge:
I can't remember anything from my early days,first year or so. Does that mean that such a young human is not able to dwelve into deeper thoughts?

I didn't take that as if he were talking about the unborn foetus, but rather a delivered baby.

 

[Tyra]

Tyra, really great thoughts! But after your story about prednancy i'm starting to wish i were a man, instead of a woman)))

Sorry...Mind you, some women love being pregnant. I love my kids, and they were planned, and I was willing to put up with it for nine months just to have them for an hour. I was pregnant with one that didn't make it, and I don't regret that one either, for what it's worth. I also clean puke from carpets, crappy diapers, snotty noses and all that for them, too, so a bit of swollen ankles and 14 hours of labour is nothing, really, compared to "I love you super duper, Mamma!" in the morning. This is not to say that I am in favour of banning abortion.

So, to throw a wrench in things and to be the devil's advocate, how about these scenarios:
1. Eleven-year-old girl raped by pedophile gets pregnant in the process. Is it OK to have the baby aborted then? A pregnancy at eleven can ruin a body for the rest of someone's life, never mind all the rest of the no school, no money, mommy doesn't love baby of a rapist and all that.
2. Twentyfive-year-old woman with severe diabetes and congenital eyedefect (I actually know her, she's legally blind now) gets pregnant despite being on the pill and very careful (lives in US cannot afford sterilization, but even that is a fallible contraceptive - have had two daycarekids born to "fixed" parents). The child will inherit her eyedefect for sure, and Mother will probably die as a result of carrying a pregnancy to term. Then is it OK to abort the baby?
3. Thirtytree-year-old pregnant woman finds out from the amnio that the baby will be missing half the brain and be a vegetable if it even survives the first day. Does she then have to put up with all the ailments and pain, including labour, as listed in my post above, or will she abort and move on to make a heallthy baby?

Who gets to decide, if not the pregnant woman, and where do you draw the line, personally?

 

[TheLastWithPaganBlood]

1)Yes; 2) Yes; 3;Yes
I think no defect animal should breed. And I think rape-victims have the right to, if they ant to. My views.

With "deeper thoughts" I'm not exactly sure of what I meant, but I was thinking of thoughts of a more reflecting nature, not only "I'm hungry, must get titty" or "I feel sleepy". The question is babies are even able to think this deep, or if they're just acting on instincts.

 

[BigFakeSmile]

babies are pretty complex little beings, and you know that if youve ever been left alone with one. but that doesnt effect my views above - that is, very pro-choice and of the opinion that as long as the woman is growing it and carrying it around in her - her materials, her energy, her life, her well-being, it's up to her. within reason. i mean, if youve gone the six months or whatever youve come pretty far and should go through and just give it up for adoption. and people always come out with this stupid 'then people will use abortion for birth control argument.' trust me, no one enjoys the procedure. by the way, i havent had one. but ive accompanied a friend, and the fetus wasnt even living, but she was still scared, and of course it doesnt feel good, and it's a bit more expensive than a condom.

 

[Celtik Militia]

yeah of course in those cases the woman should be alowed to abort. i'm against abortion except in those extreem cases such as rape or that the child will be "defective" and so on. yet in case of a rape she should have been given the precautions to not have a child like the pill... but anyway yeah.
as for if the woman can't afford to keep the child, she should have the right to leave the kid in an orphanage or a foster home, not to kill him/her. she's already stupid enough to not have used a condom or the pill when fucking like a teenaged girl without any conscience of life

 

[Feraliminal Lycanthropizer]

Birth control doesnt always work. Did you know that if you drink or smoke, the birth control has no effect? You didn't, well neither do lots of women who find out afterwards. Also, things like the shot and condoms are fallable and can break. If I get pregnant, I'm not carrying around that thing for nine months. Your nose stretches, your skin stretches. If a woman wants a child, by all means go through with it and more power to her. If she doesn't why should she go through that pain just to give to satisfy some ultra-religous jerkoffs? Not every girl got pregnant because she wanted the thrill of some dude plastering her cumbucket. Some of them are very careful and still get a mouthful maternity vomit. I hate kids.

 

[TheLastWithPaganBlood]

Last line cracked me up, kind of like you want people to abort hehe.

 

[Celtik Militia]

lol.
well i'll have as much kids as possible <3 (minimum 3)
and i'll raise them the right way

 

[ølfeen]

as for if the woman can't afford to keep the child, she should have the right to leave the kid in an orphanage or a foster home, not to kill him/her. she's already stupid enough to not have used a condom or the pill when fucking like a teenaged girl without any conscience of life

Again, i don't know how matters stand in France, but here in Russia asylums are overcrowded with abandonned children. These children won't have any happy childhood, there is a little chance, that they would be adopted by anyone, they won't have a proper education, the only oppotrunity they have in life is to go to the streets and to become a perfect junky/tramp/criminal etc. I still believe, that it's better to be unborn, than to live a life like this.

 

[TheLastWithPaganBlood]

I think the situation is pretty different in welfare countries. SOme great people have grown up in orphanages, like J.R.R. Tolkien.

 

[Celtik Militia]

Again, i don't know how matters stand in France, but here in Russia asylums are overcrowded with abandonned children. These children won't have any happy childhood, there is a little chance, that they would be adopted by anyone, they won't have a proper education, the only oppotrunity they have in life is to go to the streets and to become a perfect junky/tramp/criminal etc. I still believe, that it's better to be unborn, than to live a life like this.

yeah thats exactly the kind of thing you'd never see in france. what could happen is that some orphans might feel insecure in childhood and grow up to be a biker or a "blouson noir" (=black/leather coat) which guys equivalent to the US rednecks on harleys who don't do much with their life and are just tough little bastards. lol

 

[Thrymfal]

well, russia does have to contend with a much higher population, which means by direct correlation, a much higher number of orphans, which is an obstacle regardless of how much you are taxed.

 

[Feraliminal Lycanthropizer]

I think the situation is pretty different in welfare countries. SOme great people have grown up in orphanages, like J.R.R. Tolkien.

Did he have a great time?

 

[Stygian Sins]

i guess whats why he became such a great writer/story teller... what else is there to do in an orphanage

 

[BigFakeSmile]

creative excellence comes from suffering

(not being sarcastic for a change)

 

[Celtik Militia]

in this case for example i'm all for abortion (even if they didnt know the baby would be born like that) :
http://www.discretos.net/go.php?id=596
this is really horrible, sensitive hearts avoid this video.