Degenerate Machinery
Sole superior evil itself
getting back on the subject...
where the crap can i get the leak?
Mirc? kazaa sure dont have it...
where the crap can i get the leak?
Mirc? kazaa sure dont have it...
Originally posted by Jeremy
Not when they're lame... first he was too stupid to see this thread was a joke... and starts striking out blindly... and then he fails to see that MP3 are responsible for a big percentage of metal fans... even Opeth fans... and that includes me... without MP3 I would never have heard this amazing band.... and I bought the cds and will see them live in February.
The only real debate is whether people are ruining it for you and whether or not they're still buying the album. For the former...thats your own fault IMO. Dont click on threads that are gonna fuk it up for you...its not that hard to avoid.
My arguments is about downloading leaked albums, not what format you listen to music on and where. My argument is on the damage leaked albums do to an artist, and as a basic, album sales are a way of an artist and or band of supporting themselves.Regarding the debate it seems silly to me 7DT to impose your opinions about how someone else should listen to music. That is not debatable...music is personalized and should be listened to however you see fit.
I think I adressed this point already above. You bought the cd's after hearing them, fair enough, lots of people have done that, and I am not arguing about the whole musical exposure issue, in fact, I think more people should be given the chance to hear new stuff, so in my book mp3's have never been a bad thing, apart from the lack of sonic reproduction (anyone who thinks mp3's are just as good as cd should read up on mp3 compression techniques, how they are lossy and why in relation to the sensitivity of your ear). Every band should have one or two samples from their albums on their websites. It's good marketing and gives you a taster of what it's like. Nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with getting a tape of your freinds, as long as if you like it you buy it and show support for these people that make music for you.Mr. Niel said it all....
What people seem to forget is that it's the inderground that keeps these bands alive.... without mp3 a band like Opeth wouldn't be so known... I would never have heard of Opeth if my buddy wouldn't have ripped the cds for me... and after that I bought them and I got Deliverance even before it was released in my country... and guess what? I had the mp3 way before that... And I'll download Damnation as soon as it is available... so fuck you 7 Dying Trees...
I don't understand why so many posters are getting upset about "Deliverance" being shared over the internet before its official release date. This is the fault of the record companies handing out promo-copies to the media. In the old days, it obviously wasn't that easy to mass distribute promo-copies of an album before the release date, but nowadays with the internet, it's kind of pointless to complain about it, cause there will always be someone who is willing to share it online, and one person is all it takes. Today, getting to hear an album before its release date is in the hands of the record companies. Maybe they shouldn't pass out promos so early before the release date.
And besides, the album will continue to circulate over Person to Person shareware after its release, just like all the other Opeth albums, and pretty much anyone's album. This isn't going to stop until all those companies that made that shareware are lawfully made to cease the use of it, like Napster. The chances of that happening seem pretty slim right now, so supporting your favorite artist works like this:
If you like them and want them to make a living at what they do, you will support them with your hard earned money.
It's pretty simple.
I had copies of all the Opeth albums before I bought them all, and they were made by friends. I didn't even download them. How come no one ever gripes about that? How is downloading off the internet and having someone record you a tape or cd-r of an album different? They're not! It's the record companies fault for producing it's product on such an easily accesible, cheap medium that can be widely distributed and mass produced in a matter of days. If they really wanted you to buy cds, they would stop making them cost $18.99 and up.
At any rate, I like Opeth. And as with all the bands I want to support, I will buy their cds when they are released. Being able to "test drive" a cd, so to speak, is pretty fair for a cd that is going to cost you $20 at the mall.
Originally posted by Degenerate Machinery
getting back on the subject...
where the crap can i get the leak?
Mirc? kazaa sure dont have it...
But why doesn't the band deserved to get payed for the time that you did like it?Originally posted by Slipknot_isn't_metal
like say for example.....In Flames - RtR ....i downloaded it ....listen to it occasionally and even liked it for a little while ....but goddammit i'm happy i didn't buy it ....
Originally posted by 7 Dying Trees
Promo is not equal to album.
Originally posted by ddicosmo
Why don't you teenie boppers get a real life? You are ruining an otherwise good message board about Opeth. And BUY the album, don't steal it!! Idiots!
Originally posted by Opet
Yeah? Well...regardless of that...that photo still looks pretty rank.
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Originally posted by Opet
MulletGuy-
"I own about 260 albums...I'd guess that about 50-60% of those are burnt copies."
whoseywhatsit?![]()
More than 50% of your collection is ripped from the net?! How do you sleep at night?!Really now, does the band get the same amount of royalties when you buy it for less with the emusic.com compared to buying it a full price from the store/online store? If so, that's cool and all, but don't you miss the original artwork? The booklets with lyrics and credits galore?
"3) I don't think downloading is stealing from an artist. If anything, I think it builds an even stronger fanbase, and may even help them financially in the long run."
Yeah...but that's IF they make the long run. What IS the long run. 10, 20...30 years? I wish they'd get filthy stinking rich porn stars before it's known to be safe for such behavior.![]()