SPOILERS!Damnation is leaked!

7Dying-
Strangely enough, the band will get royalties, and when you see that most of the time a CD is mostly money to the record company then the price difference doesn't look that bad to be honest. This way the artists are still getting money, so this isn't a bad thing.

Oh, I see. Nice.

Brooks-
Most of the CD revenue is to the record company, but who do you think decides if a band gets dropped or not? It’s all about record sales.

Oh right. Of course. Those evil bastards.
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So, the only way for the band to truly benefit, whether you're talking profit to the band or satisfying the label, is for the fans to actually buy CDs.
 
Buying merch from a show is the best way to get money RIGHT to the band - aside from stuffing a $20 in their pocket when they're too busy signing your CD to notice..

I swear I'm not as creepy as that sounds..
 
This debate between d/ling music, and buying it is rather annoying. It's everwhere now, and there's two sides to every coin. On the side of the "buyer", you get hammered with CD prices, not so much in underground metal, becasue The End Records and Dark Symphonies sells cd's for $10, but some CDs found in the chain stores could cost up to $16-$20 a disc. "Buyers" get pissed off, and in return, d/l the music, burn the disc, and enjoy the music for free. Here's the problem with that. It has very little to do with royalties, as so many people love to argue. A bands true fan, will purchase the CD anyway. The band isn't losing out on money. Most people who d/l a CD, and arnt really a fan, listen to it once or twice, and it never gets played again. They wouldn't give a band money anyway. The problem comes in with the record companies, charging way too much for a CD, to try to "make up" for the loss of profit, where people d/l the music. This is the case where an actual fan of a band, and lets face it, no one likes just ONE band. If this person were to pay those prices for every CD they wanted, they would need to take out a loan. So, again, they d/l it for free. Here's how it hurts the music industry, and will eventually hurt you, the "Buyer". Lets forget about artist royalties. They still get paid for CD's sold. If the record company does not sell as many copies of the CD, as projected, estimated sales should be, the bands NEXT cd recording budget will be less, and less. Tour support will diminish, and your product will suffer greatly. Here's an example. We worked with a producer, who used to get anywhere from 60, to 100 thousand to record a CD. Now, because of the hit the music industry has taken, due to d/ling music, he's lucky if he can get $5000. This may not seem like a big deal to you now, but guys like this will eventually say "screw it", and find some other music related avenue for work, leaving the small recording budgets and the band in a tight spot. A band like Opeth, who does most of the work themselves in the studio, may not suffer from this much, but I promise you, many others will. There's no way to stop d/ling music. They can try, and come up with copy protection, but in two days, someone will have a way around it. It's just how technology advances, and music progresses. I'm not for either side. Im guilty of owing MP3's I didn't pay for my self, but I DO buy any CD from a band that I support. Seriously though, unless your Metallica, you don't make much money off the CD sales. The band makes the money off of the Touring, and the Merch. In order to do this, they need the support from the label, and the label needs CD sales to justify putting the band on a tour. It's an ugly circle, and an uglier business. Bottom line, if you d/l music, and you like it enough to listen to it mre then once, BUY it. It helps everyone in the long run.
 
Originally posted by Fyhed
If you download this stuff your an idiot in my opinion.

Can't any of you guys WAIT?

Honestly, I can't see why anyone would care if you downloaded it early. I could wait, I won't, but I could. There's no point. Opening up a new cd after waiting months/years is not that big of a deal to me. Hearing it is the big deal. When I can get a new cd at nearly as good of quality as it will be when it's out, I'll do it. The only arguement here is whether you buy the cd or not. And November Paul's post says it perfectly.

Anyway, that's my two cents.
 
Originally posted by Novembers Paul
This debate between d/ling music, and buying it is rather annoying. It's everwhere now, and there's two sides to every coin. On the side of the "buyer", you get hammered with CD prices, not so much in underground metal, becasue The End Records and Dark Symphonies sells cd's for $10, but some CDs found in the chain stores could cost up to $16-$20 a disc. "Buyers" get pissed off, and in return, d/l the music, burn the disc, and enjoy the music for free. Here's the problem with that. It has very little to do with royalties, as so many people love to argue. A bands true fan, will purchase the CD anyway. The band isn't losing out on money. Most people who d/l a CD, and arnt really a fan, listen to it once or twice, and it never gets played again. They wouldn't give a band money anyway. The problem comes in with the record companies, charging way too much for a CD, to try to "make up" for the loss of profit, where people d/l the music. This is the case where an actual fan of a band, and lets face it, no one likes just ONE band. If this person were to pay those prices for every CD they wanted, they would need to take out a loan. So, again, they d/l it for free. Here's how it hurts the music industry, and will eventually hurt you, the "Buyer". Lets forget about artist royalties. They still get paid for CD's sold. If the record company does not sell as many copies of the CD, as projected, estimated sales should be, the bands NEXT cd recording budget will be less, and less. Tour support will diminish, and your product will suffer greatly. Here's an example. We worked with a producer, who used to get anywhere from 60, to 100 thousand to record a CD. Now, because of the hit the music industry has taken, due to d/ling music, he's lucky if he can get $5000. This may not seem like a big deal to you now, but guys like this will eventually say "screw it", and find some other music related avenue for work, leaving the small recording budgets and the band in a tight spot. A band like Opeth, who does most of the work themselves in the studio, may not suffer from this much, but I promise you, many others will. There's no way to stop d/ling music. They can try, and come up with copy protection, but in two days, someone will have a way around it. It's just how technology advances, and music progresses. I'm not for either side. Im guilty of owing MP3's I didn't pay for my self, but I DO buy any CD from a band that I support. Seriously though, unless your Metallica, you don't make much money off the CD sales. The band makes the money off of the Touring, and the Merch. In order to do this, they need the support from the label, and the label needs CD sales to justify putting the band on a tour. It's an ugly circle, and an uglier business. Bottom line, if you d/l music, and you like it enough to listen to it mre then once, BUY it. It helps everyone in the long run.

Well said.
 
Novembers Paul-
"This debate between d/ling music, and buying it is rather annoying. It's everywhere now, and there are two sides to every coin.

Sure it's annoying. It's a debate. And you can bet your ass they'll be a new batch of people wanting to debate it every few months. Get past it and start copying and pasting your response. Save yourself some time and aggravation. :)

--Novembers' post's SHINNING MOMENT!
The band makes the money off touring and the merchandise. In order to do this, they need the support from the label, and the label needs CD sales to justify putting the band on a tour. It's an ugly circle, and an uglier business. Bottom line, if you d/l music, and you like it enough to listen to it more then once, BUY it. It helps everyone in the long run.

Ah, yes. Buy it, buy it, buy it. dammit
 
i dont have a lot of money. i cant afford to buy every cd that comes out. no matter what im always going to download cds, and when i have the money i will buy them, but im not going to go broke just to prove that i buy cds. if i dont have the money to buy a cd, not downloading it doesnt prove anything. i think i have just as much right as anyone else to listen to any music, because the bands dont make music to make money, they make it for people to hear. so basically im going to download any album i want, and if i have the money ill buy it. if i dont, i wont buy it.
 
Originally posted by Mikael is God
i dont have a lot of money. i cant afford to buy every cd that comes out. no matter what im always going to download cds, and when i have the money i will buy them, but im not going to go broke just to prove that i buy cds. if i dont have the money to buy a cd, not downloading it doesnt prove anything. i think i have just as much right as anyone else to listen to any music, because the bands dont make music to make money, they make it for people to hear. so basically im going to download any album i want, and if i have the money ill buy it. if i dont, i wont buy it.

If the bands don't make music to make money, there's no point in buying any albums. But, I'll let you in on a little secret: they need to fucking survive. If the don't make money from their music, they won't keep making it cause the record companies will drop them. They DO make music to make money, so while downloading now and then is cool, if it's an album that means something to you, by all means, scrape up 10 bucks and buy it.
 
i d/l a lot of music, way more than i can effort to buy. all the stuff i like a lot, like opeth, anathema, porcupine tree i.e i buy the cd´s of sooner or later.
with the music WE are listening to i think it´s about normal for people to buy the hightlights for a few reasons.

1. the bands don´t have only one hit. it´s worth buying.
2. the sound quality
3. the booklet
4. and surely you want your faves to get the money they deserve.

i don´t think anybody made the most important statement yet.

before i knew any opeth, i was surfing on the dark tranquillity forum. a lot of people were talking about opeth, so i d/l their music. all of it.
but right after that i bought the first cd´s by them because it´s a must to have originally. now i have them all.
i pretty much d/l everything if i read a good review about it.
the point is, who knows how long it would have taken until i finally would have heard about them? i don´t go to music store because of every review i am reading.
within that time i´ve seen them live for 3 times and bought shirts and stuff. at least the possibillity is big that i´ll buy the next album the band brings out.
all this has to do a lot about the music genre.

all this top ten stuff has to suffer way more about it, because they often don´t have a good full lenght album.

i don´t think the bands we are listening to are selling less cd´s then what they did before.
it´s even a popularity boost for them, as long as people think the way i do. :D

Lug
 
I buy and burn. If i like it tons I buy it. If it some cd i burn for the heck of it I never listen to it anyway. In the past few months I have purchased around 30 cds.