Starting to hate emg's/active pups

SwambA

Processed Chicken
Apr 6, 2009
414
0
16
Clearwater, fl
I just started to mic up my new 5150 50 watt after just playing it for like 3 weeks. Messed with mic placement all fing day never got results I liked, just a fizzy harshness in the highs. So just for the hell of it I grab my old Jem777 with PAF pro's in it and right away the tone came in with just a HP/LP on it! I have guitars with EMG's 81,808 and one with a blackout, the harsh fizzy highs are on all of them...time to start trying out passives!
 
IMHO most pasive pickups tend to sound muddy or insanely hollow/nasal, like the sh-4 for example.
 
Agreed. Not a huge fan of EMGs at all. They have this mushy lowend that works nice for some kinds of metal, it makes them sound heavy, but they are no where near as tight as a good set of passives. For the more brutal and less technical stuff, EMGs are great, but when it comes to anything other than that, passives are the way to go IMO.
 
Agreed. Not a huge fan of EMGs at all. They have this mushy lowend that works nice for some kinds of metal, it makes them sound heavy, but they are no where near as tight as a good set of passives. For the more brutal and less technical stuff, EMGs are great, but when it comes to anything other than that, passives are the way to go IMO.

This is pretty much the exact polar opposite of my experiences haha - for me EMG's (specifically the 81, never really liked the 85 in the bridge or especially neck) are king for note definition and tightness, so IMO they're best for anything super-intricate and technical - however, lately I too am finding the top end a bit fatiguing (and also the relative lack of dynamics), so I've switched recently to the Alt. VIII in my Schecter and I love it, seems better suited to the chunky melodeath (and lots of leads) that I play
 
when using taht type of amps like 5150 I prefer the use of a low output pickup...
I used to use the 81,jb,super distortion,distortion,custom but now I use a bareknuckle VHII...
AMAZING pickup...
 
This is pretty much the exact polar opposite of my experiences haha - for me EMG's (specifically the 81, never really liked the 85 in the bridge or especially neck) are king for note definition and tightness, so IMO they're best for anything super-intricate and technical - however, lately I too am finding the top end a bit fatiguing (and also the relative lack of dynamics),

I used to think I liked the 81 and 85 (the former for more techy/thrashy business and the latter for more melodic work). They'd be my go-to's for metal stuff. That is until I kept going absolutely insane trying to fit the guitar high-mids into the mix. It never worked. They always seem to sound somehow abrasive, yet flat and 2-dimensional at the same time. Not only that, but you don't get as much reward for annihilating the strings with your picking hand because they chop all the dynamics. Using 707s (my favourite EMGs) on a rock project recently - witnessing their abysmal failure at conveying any semblance of the fatness of the guitar and playing was the last straw. Going back to embracing passives and making a 'EMG only for leads' rule has returned some semblance of sanity to my mix process, and makes me hate the guitar as an instrument just a tiny bit less again.
 
This is pretty much the exact polar opposite of my experiences haha - for me EMG's (specifically the 81, never really liked the 85 in the bridge or especially neck) are king for note definition and tightness, so IMO they're best for anything super-intricate and technical - however, lately I too am finding the top end a bit fatiguing (and also the relative lack of dynamics), so I've switched recently to the Alt. VIII in my Schecter and I love it, seems better suited to the chunky melodeath (and lots of leads) that I play

Interesting.

You're not the first person I've heard this from, but at the same time, it makes me think that the guitars with passives you've used, weren't that great of a guitar to begin with. You can throw EMGs in a cheap guitar, and it will sound great, because they tend to have a certain character to them that relies less on the guitar's quality. Doing the same with passives will show more of the guitar, and it will be clear whether you're using a cheap guitar or not.

I'd challenge you to try out EMGs in a fairly high end guitar vs. a set of nice passives, and see if you still prefer the EMGs. Having A/B'd a set of EMG 81/60, BKP Nailbombs and Duncan JB/59 in my Jackson SL2H, there's no doubt in my mind that the passives were tighter and clearer. Not as "big" sounding, no, but the difference was so profound that I will only ever use EMGs on heavy rhythms for my own stuff anymore. There's just something about EMGs that makes palm mutes sound even and less dynamic, I've heard clips of them where it almost sounded like the person was using a completely different technique on mutes than on the passive pickup version. Passives always sound more lively and crunchy on palm mutes. They have a grind to them that makes them sound less mechanical and "real" for lack of a better term.
 
Interesting.

You're not the first person I've heard this from, but at the same time, it makes me think that the guitars with passives you've used, weren't that great of a guitar to begin with. You can throw EMGs in a cheap guitar, and it will sound great, because they tend to have a certain character to them that relies less on the guitar's quality. Doing the same with passives will show more of the guitar, and it will be clear whether you're using a cheap guitar or not.

I'd challenge you to try out EMGs in a fairly high end guitar vs. a set of nice passives, and see if you still prefer the EMGs. Having A/B'd a set of EMG 81/60, BKP Nailbombs and Duncan JB/59 in my Jackson SL2H, there's no doubt in my mind that the passives were tighter and clearer. Not as "big" sounding, no, but the difference was so profound that I will only ever use EMGs on heavy rhythms for my own stuff anymore. There's just something about EMGs that makes palm mutes sound even and less dynamic, I've heard clips of them where it almost sounded like the person was using a completely different technique on mutes than on the passive pickup version. Passives always sound more lively and crunchy on palm mutes. They have a grind to them that makes them sound less mechanical and "real" for lack of a better term.


I also think it's the other way round...passives often sound "bigger", but EMG are definitely much tighter

 
Last edited by a moderator: