So I'm sure this is user error, but I have some ddrum triggers and they're unbelievably sensitive. Even with the levels totally off on my 002, they're still clipping. I tried running them into my TOA board and then running into the 002...and with channel volumes and master volumes totally off....still clipping. I don't have the triggers overly tight on the drums. Help!
Super sensative drum triggers....help
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AdamWathan
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Don't worry about it, you are replacing them anyways, who cares if the waveform clips? The splats are still all easily discernible from one another.
drew_drummer
Dancefap
If the softest hits clip, then you may have a problem, but if its only on the loudest of the loudest... then just give it a go and see if it screws up your triggering; I doubt it will.
AdamWathan
Member
I run my triggers into an Octopre which is retardedly hot (pres start at like +12db even on 0) and the only one that clips is my snare, which is because the snare trigger has two sensors so the splat is twice the volume. Still not an issue, even with dynamics.
SentencedToBurn
Dubbs
KeithTidd
Robot Penis.
mick thompson
AKA: Ross Canpolat! SM!
run it through a comp and drop the output and input level? (with compression off) it might clip within the comp but your vu shouldn't spike. but it doesn't matter if your replacing them unless your using a lot of velocity replacements and the volumes aint right
Well here's the problem, they clip to the point where no matter how I set the sensitivity with drumagog, one hit will read as 7. While it leaves the drummer sounding like a god among men, it leaves a bit to be desired.
John_C
formerly Skeksis268
yeah, extreme clipping is no good for a trigger track, what you want is a transient and what you're getting is a square wave
Trevoire520
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darthjujuu
Member
the ddrums with XLR outs, or the ddrum redshots with 1/4" outs?? the high-end ones have XLR outs which leads me to believe they'd be expecting us to use them on a mic pre and not with a drum module which almost always has 1/4" ins for the triggers...so maybe the high end ones have a more appropriate mic level coming out? also... if the triggers are too hot for a mic pre, try them in a line-in? maybe they're more in the neighborhood of line level than mic/inst level.
They have the XLR outs. I've tried them through a line-in and they still clip like crazy. A tom fill shows up as one solid bar haha. I'll try picking up some pads and hopefully that will help. Thanks for all of the responses guys, I really appreciate it.
mick thompson
AKA: Ross Canpolat! SM!
have you tried to de-amplify them and then gate the .wav? wasn't there a post from catharsis about a side-chain gate or something a few weeks ago - that could help to cut the sound dead only when needed in your DAW
just trying to think of a way of not having to buy more stuff
just trying to think of a way of not having to buy more stuff
I would wonder if the 002 does this for other guys. As prevalent as I think they are, I'd think this would have been addressed in the past, or at least well known. IMO, it sounds like something is definitely going on somewhere that isn't "normal".
I don't know much about PT, but you don't have the trim turned to high on the inputs in a software mixer, do you (if it's even possible)?
without engaging the pads on my Profire2626, it's easy to get clipping transients, but not to the point where they are so loud that the decay still results in a clipped square wave.
Any chance you could post a screenshot for curiosity's sake?
I don't know much about PT, but you don't have the trim turned to high on the inputs in a software mixer, do you (if it's even possible)?
without engaging the pads on my Profire2626, it's easy to get clipping transients, but not to the point where they are so loud that the decay still results in a clipped square wave.
Any chance you could post a screenshot for curiosity's sake?
Right on the money. The problem is the signal is way to hot and your not able to get a defined transient, Even though if you listen to the recorded trigger track you can hear the individual notes, the waveform looks like a turd with no transient peaks.
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
Just wanted to ask: what kind of cable are you using? XLR -> balanced plug, unbalanced plug or XLR?
i recorded recently with triggers and they clipped a lot. didn't really matter once they were sample replaced, some double triggering did occur, but that's an easy fix. if your triggers don't work well just put a mic really close to the beat inside the drum (go for as much isolation as possible) and just sample replace that. from what i've gathered triggers are better for live situations than the studio
