The Great American Gun Fetish

[Onder]

One day you might turn the gun on yourself and the bullet will be your friend, my dad was telling me about this guy he knew, he shot himself and survived and blew his jaw off, I was thinking he probably had to shoot himself again to kill himself.

Definitely tell him he needs to fucking pull the trigger once more, he needs to fucking smash his brain to little pieces of puree with the power of American freedom. Chink, boooooom, smash, land of the free boi. A neighbor can help him with all that he has a glock in the cupboard next to some corn flakes. Hold the bible tight granpa is comin.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Ah, our neighborhood poets. bravo!

 

[UltimateApathy]

Harvard research proving that the use of guns for self-defense is vastly, massively outnumbered by the use of guns in committing crimes. "Guns for self-defense" is just a bunch of brainwashing poppycock shoved down your throats by the gun-corporation funded N.R.A.:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Gun Threats and Self-Defense Gun Use



1-3. Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense


We use epidemiological theory to explain why the “false positive” problem for rare events can lead to large overestimates of the incidence of rare diseases or rare phenomena such as self-defense gun use. We then try to validate the claims of many millions of annual self-defense uses against available evidence. We find that the claim of many millions of annual self-defense gun uses by American citizens is invalid.


Hemenway, David. Survey research and self-defense gun use: An explanation of extreme overestimates. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology. 1997; 87:1430-1445.


Hemenway, David. The myth of millions of annual self-defense gun uses: A case study of survey overestimates of rare events. Chance (American Statistical Association). 1997; 10:6-10.


Cook, Philip J; Ludwig, Jens; Hemenway, David. The gun debate’s new mythical number: Howmany defensive uses per year? Journal of Policy Analysis and Management. 1997; 16:463-469.





4. Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal


We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.


Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah. Gun use in the United States: Results from two national surveys. Injury Prevention. 2000; 6:263-267.





5. Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense


Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Center, we examined the extent and nature of offensive gun use. We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense. All reported cases of criminal gun use, as well as many of the so-called self-defense gun uses, appear to be socially undesirable.


Hemenway, David; Azrael, Deborah. The relative frequency of offensive and defensive gun use: Results of a national survey. Violence and Victims. 2000; 15:257-272.





6. Guns in the home are used more often to intimidate intimates than to thwart crime


Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, we investigated how and when guns are used in the home. We found that guns in the home are used more often to frighten intimates than to thwart crime; other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns.


Azrael, Deborah R; Hemenway, David. In the safety of your own home: Results from a national survey of gun use at home. Social Science and Medicine. 2000; 50:285-91.





7. Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense


We analyzed data from a telephone survey of 5,800 California adolescents aged 12-17 years, which asked questions about gun threats against and self-defense gun use by these young people. We found that these young people were far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use a gun in self-defense, and most of the reported self-defense gun uses were hostile interactions between armed adolescents. Males, smokers, binge drinkers, those who threatened others and whose parents were less likely to know their whereabouts were more likely both to be threatened with a gun and to use a gun in self-defense.


Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Gun threats against and self-defense gun use by California adolescents. Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. 2004; 158:395-400.





8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime


Using data from a survey of detainees in a Washington D.C. jail, we worked with a prison physician to investigate the circumstances of gunshot wounds to these criminals.


We found that one in four of these detainees had been wounded, in events that appear unrelated to their incarceration. Most were shot when they were victims of robberies, assaults and crossfires. Virtually none report being wounded by a “law-abiding citizen.”


May, John P; Hemenway, David. Oen, Roger; Pitts, Khalid R. When criminals are shot: A survey of Washington DC jail detainees. Medscape General Medicine. 2000; June 28. www.medscape.com





9-10. Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens


Using data from surveys of detainees in six jails from around the nation, we worked with a prison physician to determine whether criminals seek hospital medical care when they are shot. Criminals almost always go to the hospital when they are shot. To believe fully the claims of millions of self-defense gun uses each year would mean believing that decent law-abiding citizens shot hundreds of thousands of criminals. But the data from emergency departments belie this claim, unless hundreds of thousands of wounded criminals are afraid to seek medical care. But virtually all criminals who have been shot went to the hospital, and can describe in detail what happened there.


May, John P; Hemenway, David. Oen, Roger; Pitts, Khalid R. Medical Care Solicitation by Criminals with Gunshot Wound Injuries: A Survey of Washington DC Jail Detainees. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 48:130-132.


May, John P; Hemenway, David. Do Criminals Go to the Hospital When They are Shot? Injury Prevention. 2002; 8:236-238.





11. Self-defense gun use is rare and not more effective at preventing injury than other protective actions


Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.


This article helps provide accurate information concerning self-defense gun use. It shows that many of the claims about the benefits of gun ownership are largely myths.


Hemenway D, Solnick SJ. The epidemiology of self-defense gun use: Evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011. Preventive Medicine. 2015; 79: 22-27.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

@Nate Skalman

 

[Nate Skalman]

Harvard research proving that the use of guns for self-defense is vastly, massively outnumbered by the use of guns in committing crimes. "Guns for self-defense" is just a bunch of brainwashing poppycock shoved down your throats by the gun-corporation funded N.R.A.:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Gun Threats and Self-Defense Gun Use



1-3. Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense


We use epidemiological theory to explain why the “false positive” problem for rare events can lead to large overestimates of the incidence of rare diseases or rare phenomena such as self-defense gun use. We then try to validate the claims of many millions of annual self-defense uses against available evidence. We find that the claim of many millions of annual self-defense gun uses by American citizens is invalid.


Hemenway, David. Survey research and self-defense gun use: An explanation of extreme overestimates. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology. 1997; 87:1430-1445.


Hemenway, David. The myth of millions of annual self-defense gun uses: A case study of survey overestimates of rare events. Chance (American Statistical Association). 1997; 10:6-10.


Cook, Philip J; Ludwig, Jens; Hemenway, David. The gun debate’s new mythical number: Howmany defensive uses per year? Journal of Policy Analysis and Management. 1997; 16:463-469.





4. Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal


We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.


Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah. Gun use in the United States: Results from two national surveys. Injury Prevention. 2000; 6:263-267.





5. Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense


Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Center, we examined the extent and nature of offensive gun use. We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense. All reported cases of criminal gun use, as well as many of the so-called self-defense gun uses, appear to be socially undesirable.


Hemenway, David; Azrael, Deborah. The relative frequency of offensive and defensive gun use: Results of a national survey. Violence and Victims. 2000; 15:257-272.





6. Guns in the home are used more often to intimidate intimates than to thwart crime


Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, we investigated how and when guns are used in the home. We found that guns in the home are used more often to frighten intimates than to thwart crime; other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns.


Azrael, Deborah R; Hemenway, David. In the safety of your own home: Results from a national survey of gun use at home. Social Science and Medicine. 2000; 50:285-91.





7. Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense


We analyzed data from a telephone survey of 5,800 California adolescents aged 12-17 years, which asked questions about gun threats against and self-defense gun use by these young people. We found that these young people were far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use a gun in self-defense, and most of the reported self-defense gun uses were hostile interactions between armed adolescents. Males, smokers, binge drinkers, those who threatened others and whose parents were less likely to know their whereabouts were more likely both to be threatened with a gun and to use a gun in self-defense.


Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Gun threats against and self-defense gun use by California adolescents. Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. 2004; 158:395-400.





8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime


Using data from a survey of detainees in a Washington D.C. jail, we worked with a prison physician to investigate the circumstances of gunshot wounds to these criminals.


We found that one in four of these detainees had been wounded, in events that appear unrelated to their incarceration. Most were shot when they were victims of robberies, assaults and crossfires. Virtually none report being wounded by a “law-abiding citizen.”


May, John P; Hemenway, David. Oen, Roger; Pitts, Khalid R. When criminals are shot: A survey of Washington DC jail detainees. Medscape General Medicine. 2000; June 28. www.medscape.com





9-10. Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens


Using data from surveys of detainees in six jails from around the nation, we worked with a prison physician to determine whether criminals seek hospital medical care when they are shot. Criminals almost always go to the hospital when they are shot. To believe fully the claims of millions of self-defense gun uses each year would mean believing that decent law-abiding citizens shot hundreds of thousands of criminals. But the data from emergency departments belie this claim, unless hundreds of thousands of wounded criminals are afraid to seek medical care. But virtually all criminals who have been shot went to the hospital, and can describe in detail what happened there.


May, John P; Hemenway, David. Oen, Roger; Pitts, Khalid R. Medical Care Solicitation by Criminals with Gunshot Wound Injuries: A Survey of Washington DC Jail Detainees. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 48:130-132.


May, John P; Hemenway, David. Do Criminals Go to the Hospital When They are Shot? Injury Prevention. 2002; 8:236-238.





11. Self-defense gun use is rare and not more effective at preventing injury than other protective actions


Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.


This article helps provide accurate information concerning self-defense gun use. It shows that many of the claims about the benefits of gun ownership are largely myths.


Hemenway D, Solnick SJ. The epidemiology of self-defense gun use: Evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011. Preventive Medicine. 2015; 79: 22-27.

You're boring the shit out of us with these snore-fest statistics. It's already been noted that you have no real opinions that hold water- just more articles. You ignore questions and avoid being honest because you just want to pass cheap shots. You don't live here so it's really none of your business anyway. Don't like it...don't come here. You've shown that your flat out wrong when referencing our constitution and refuse to listen to any thoughts but your own. You should really stop acting educated on a political system that you obviously don't understand. Nothing you are stating is "above" my comprehension...just annoying pot shots.

 

[UltimateApathy]

Only the brainwashed refuse to accept academic studies and verifiable statistics. Your cult-like brainwashing is disturbing, son, but your little fantasy world that you've created in your head where people carrying deadly weapons makes a society safer is more along the lines of pathetically amusing. Shame, the brainwashing is strong in this one, and reality is severely lacking.

 

[UltimateApathy]

When people are in a cult, they believe that their world view - no matter how bizarre - is absolutely accurate and everyone else is deceived or ignorant. The U.S. is basically like one giant gun cult, the only country in the world where people are obsessed with the idea that freely owning guns makes the society safer, despite mountains of statistics, studies, and common sense proving otherwise. When it comes to guns, Americans are basically just mini-Scientologists.

 

[Nate Skalman]

You're a complete fucking retard.

 

[Nate Skalman]

I think it's pretty clear that nobody likes you.

 

[UltimateApathy]

The typical response of the mentally-incompetent upon having been out-argued and proven wrong via the use of studies, statistics, and simple common sense: resort to petty insults. Your mommy would be proud of you, son.

 

[Nate Skalman]

You haven't out-argued anyone. You're an annoying prick and liar that no one seems to like...it's pretty unanimous. You've had 5 likes since 2012!!! Lol!!!

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

 

[UltimateApathy]

Nate Skalman: "Boohoohoo, the statistics and studies have overwhelmed my feeble little mind, now I'm gonna whine about how many likes he on this website."

 

[Nate Skalman]

I'm laughing about how many likes you DON'T have...read back on responses to you- you're an un-liked individual. Practically every person thinks you're a moron. I'm willing to bet you have no friends.

 

[Nate Skalman]

You're an idiot from a shit hole, third world country with no formal education.

 

[Nate Skalman]

Since you're a troll, it does no good to make points or point out flaws in your pointless position of: "I just want to prod Americans because I'm jealous for whatever reason"...so I'm just going to insult you and the fact that you're a liar, and a fake person struggling for attention.

 

[Nate Skalman]

 

[Nate Skalman]

I can tell my comments have given you a complex with your urge to gather likes...twice as many since I said something yesterday than you've had in 5 years. I'm glad I'm getting to you.

 

[UltimateApathy]

Haha, now this is some funny stuff, first you try to mock me for having "no likes" and then you call me a "troll" - now please tell me, son, why in a universe of logic and common sense would a "troll" care about how many "likes" he has on a forum? You must be even stupider than I first thought, LOL.

Also, your ham-handed attempt at racism also falls totally flat considering that I'm not even Asian, I've got long blond hair and I'm probably whiter than you, kid. Now, don't you have a rally to attend in Charlottesville, lad?

 

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