The Halo Effect - New Album 2023/2024

It's impossible to venture into discussions like these with a straight face because it necessitates heavy guessing, filling the blanks and perceived intimate knowing of someone's mind without knowing this someone.
It's also definitely not impossible to get a somewhat accurate picture of someone after reading/watchihng their interviews and lyrics for 20+ years.

Anders comes off as someone extremely defensive about his art and someone who thinks his art is way better than it actually is, which is unfortunate when it's not very good to begin with and when the most notable chunk of your body of work was not even written by you.
I'm sure in his mind all these allegories and metaphors he's used in the last 15 years are profoundly clever, and at the end of the day that's all that matters and that should matter to him.

To his defense - if you are 50 years old and scream for a living, chances are your poetry is pretty shit anyway.
 
Mildly immature with a bit of a superiority complex (hence the multiple 'follow me I'll set you free' style songs). Not much more to it than that. The same as many people who do creative work for a living tbh. Sometimes both traits are necessary and helpful with that kind of work - other times not so much.

I wouldn't say IF's choruses over their career have been particularly egregious. Only really since they hooked up with King Howard.
 
Mildly immature with a bit of a superiority complex (hence the multiple 'follow me I'll set you free' style songs). Not much more to it than that. The same as many people who do creative work for a living tbh. Sometimes both traits are necessary and helpful with that kind of work - other times not so much.

I wouldn't say IF's choruses over their career have been particularly egregious. Only really since they hooked up with King Howard.

This response is as boring as the latest Halo Effect album. You are kidding yourself.

Forget about the song titles and poetry for a second. Are we not in agreement that these "clean" vocals over the last few albums are an atrocity? Who are the people that like this stuff? I fail to see how its possible to tolerate/overlook it, let alone like it.

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Might be boring but it's the sad truth. Anders doesn't excite me enough to exaggerate his negatives, and nor do In Flames as a band for that matter. It was different when you still had most of the second-wave OGs plus Jesper there - with washed up Anders and Bjorn accompanied by a bunch of randos I just can't bring myself to care that much. Anders used to write good lyrics and have acceptable vocals, now he doesn't. Hasn't for a long time. It bothered me until around 2016 but nowadays it's just mildly annoying at worst.

Don't get me wrong, it's amusing to exaggerate and act like Anders' vocals are a disgraceful affront to humankind, but I got that out of my system a decade ago. At best I can motivate myself to throw some sarcastic barbs out there when he says something stupid (five album rule, for example), but I need more to motivate me these days than his vocals and lyrics.
 
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I still can't believe it.. after coming here and accusing Anders of being a pedophile, while at the same questioning the intelligence of everyone who likes his recent output, and making other wise, insightful comments.. what do I get? I get called a Trump supporter! My dignity is called into question! What happened to the days when I'd be welcomed with open arms by a community? Instead, no!! I am shunned and ridiculed.

You'd better believe this place would be more interesting with me around.. you should be giving me all sorts of likes, points, trophies and certifications! That I might wish to stay, and to impart some of my great wisdom. For I am like Zeratul. I have been here since the beginning. When the original UM forum was created.. I was there. In fact, I am one of the great ones who caused it to be shut down by the hand of In Flames themselves! Over the years, I have acquired a significant, massive, incredible breadth of knowledge that I could share.

Consider it.. and consider it again. Then re-consider it. Be considerate.

Thanks,
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I didn’t respond to this thread for a few days because in all honesty, I really had no clue where to even begin with doing so. I’ll try to be cordial and not make any assumptions, so I’ll apologize in advance if anything comes across otherwise. I respect your opinion on THE, nothing really to say there, it’s fair enough.

Getting the buzzword out of the way, making pedo allegations against Anders, going back on them, and then going back to insisting on them is odd, especially when details like the title of Monsters in the Ballroom wrong, particularly when it completely changes the denotation of the title and song (Granted, still not a great song whatsoever, and the lyrics are some of the dumbest to come from Anders even still), and when lyrics like those of Bullet Ride’s and Pinball Map’s choruses are also nursery rhyme-y. I don’t know if this part of your overall opinion was a shitpost or not, but if it was bait then you got us. I do very much agree with everyone else here in that yeah, there is a big maturity problem in Anders’ writing, particularly after the band shifting from the more fantasy-themed lyrics of their previous works to inner struggles/angst (Going off of Metallum for those terms) from Clayman-onward. I mean, Anders started saying shit like “I’ve never been able to use the force, I’ve only had it read to me(???)” and “Wish I could rape the day” in Pinball Map. I do think he has songs with much better and more mature writing, particularly on many tracks off Sounds of a Playground Fading— Which is surprisingly more mature in spite of and because of its theming as a metaphorical device. But even on something like Here Until Forever, a song for Anders’ son made at his son’s request, where it seems like he should have wiser lyrics that reflect his age, we get “When I look at you, I see me”. I would certainly hope so, Anders.

Now granted, things like the autotuned vocals from Battles-onward, the kid on I, the Mask’s cover (Which is your profile picture for reasons I have no idea why), the entirety of something like Call My Name’s video (Which would’ve been far better ammunition for said allegations than primarily shitty choruses), the overall quality of IF’s poorer lyrics, vocals, compositions, production, some of their albums overall, and especially the goddamn children’s choirs are all things I really don’t like.

Battles, despite getting me into In Flames, is my least favorite album from the band; I liked ITM when it came out, but it’s aged incredibly poorly; I still just do not listen to Foregone at all because it’s the exact kind of thing that In Flames isn’t to me. We’ve all discussed a lot of things we don’t like about In Flames, a significant portion of which tends to overlap with what you haven’t liked about them from Reroute-onward. I generally think that going more towards modern metalcore and alt metal has been rather bad for the band, and I don’t think I’m alone in that sentiment here. Doesn’t mean there aren’t things we can’t find enjoyment in even on albums we don’t like, and it doesn’t mean we should disregard a band that we’ve all loved at one point or another unless if we truly do feel it’s hopeless— Which is going to be tested with IF’s next album for me.

As for the thing with the one woman, I don’t want to make assumptions about her since I don’t know her, and I realize I’m speaking on something I have no part in nor experience with, but I do have the understanding that people who are generally into BDSM or are in that sort of community are very explicit regarding getting consent, defining what consent is and what is and is not consensual clearly in every scenario, and making sure that it very much is adults only. I say generally because yeah, there are unfortunately some sick fucks out there who are into kids and have overlap with a number of different groups or kinks. That shit sucks, and I think pedophiles, convicted or out free, should be shot dead. I know, riveting. I’ll say that I’m sorry that the woman showed you those photos when it was clearly not something you gave her the okay to do, and since it is something disturbing— Those things generally aren’t treaded lightly due to a kind of code of ethics they have, which she seemingly disregarded. It’s fucked of her to do that, and I’m sorry for you there. I don’t mean to make it a big topic here, as it’d fall more under the off-topic thread, but I figured it should be addressed should that part of it not be a shitpost.

Sure pal. I'm a left wing Canadian (not the best of times to be me)

As someone who dated a Canadian woman a few years back, I’m sorry to hear that. I unfortunately heard about the state of affairs there far too often, but I guess it could be worse: You could have a multibillionaire giving a Nazi salute multiple times at a president’s post-inauguration rally.
 
I still can't believe it.. after coming here and accusing Anders of being a pedophile, while at the same questioning the intelligence of everyone who likes his recent output, and making other wise, insightful comments.. what do I get? I get called a Trump supporter! My dignity is called into question! What happened to the days when I'd be welcomed with open arms by a community? Instead, no!! I am shunned and ridiculed.

If you came here for a pat on the back and a 'good job, pal!', you came to the wrong fucking forum. We don't do that here. In fact, some have said we're the biggest assholes on this side of the internet. He was called SunOfMyth and he succumbed long ago.


As someone who dated a Canadian woman a few years back, I’m sorry to hear that. I unfortunately heard about the state of affairs there far too often, but I guess it could be worse: You could have a multibillionaire giving a Nazi salute multiple times at a president’s post-inauguration rally.

You liked that, did you? They're not even trying to hide that shit anymore. "It was a Roman salute!!" Uh huh... sure thing.
 
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You liked that, did you? They're not even trying to hide that shit anymore. "It was a Roman salute!!" Uh huh... sure thing.

Is that the excuse they’re making for that? Well, a Roman salute isn’t exactly the one taught in the history books, so I guess that one’s definitely on us…

They surely didn’t crucify Jesus for this shit.
 
I don't know if Musk's camp is using that as an excuse but his fan base certainly is. They're also saying he made a mistake because of his "autism." So now we're supposed to think that if you're on the spectrum, it's perfectly acceptable to run around Sieg Heil-ing like an asshole. We're living in times of concrete excuses and there's one for every single stupid thing these people do.
 
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Ah, yes, the camp who hates people using autism as a scapegoat for poor behavior (which in fairness, I get it) is using autism as a scapegoat for poor behavior. What happened to facts not caring about peoples’ feelings?

In other news though, absolutely loving The Burning Point more and more as time goes on, fantastic song.