The Metal Foundry Evolution???

[domingooo]

Hi guys... November is not to far... i was playing around the metal foundry the other day, i really like it (not fan of the snares... but love everything else).

I'm curious, wich could be an improvment over it? what do you think
? will we get a new sdx the next metal month?

i dream about an sdx witn the unprocesed samples recorded in the metal machine session. a kit micced by andy sneap.
maybe two or three kits micced by pros... sneap, staub... don't know.

in other hand... ezx samples will give us the procees made by pros over the samples printed... a raw sdx deppends on the poor plug ins inside the sd2.

I'm sure we will get some ezmix2 stuff (with a cool fancy name on it) more superior presets . and probably a new midi pack (LOTE IV??? or even some PORTNOY MIDI PORN!!! )


What do you think?

 

[006]

IMO who mic'ed up the kit is not the biggest factor between the engineers you named, but rather how they process them. I liked the Metal Machine sounds that Sneap did, they were processed but not too much so you still had some room to play with the shaping if you needed, while they still sounded good as-is to begin with. If there is a Staub kit I wouldn't want it just mic'ed by him, I would want some of his personal touch on the processing side, just like the Metal Machine expansion was done. So, in other words, I'd rather have an EZX by Staub than an SDX, since an SDX would likely be more raw sounding and maybe it's just me but I have plenty of raw drumsets to play with when it comes to samples/VSTi's.

 

[domingooo]

yes.. i agree with you about the magic factor is in the way theyu process the thing.
Quiestion, must a sdx be raw samples? wich should be the difference between an ezx and a sdx? only the processed samples? what about a processed sdx with 24 bit samples rather than 16 bits... and lots of shell and cymbals options?

 

[FIXXXER]

i wish there will be a metal suitable SDX that has no bullshit in it, just a few kits tuned and miced properly.

thinking baout TMF, the cymbals sound nice, the rest is simply unusable.
it's not tuned right IMHO and every drum sounds fucking dead and hollow.

it doesn't help that it has tons of useles samples and tracks, i mean it has like 5 different room tracks and they all sound like shit,
it also has 5 different snare tracks and still i can't get any good sounding snare out of it, neither the pros can as every preset sounds shitty IMHO.

 

[006]

EZX's are geared towards being a simple solution for songwriters. Meaning, they are typically already processed, some more than others, so that songwriters don't have to fuss about with making it sound good, processing-wise. SDX's, on the other hand, are geared towards more professional use and are generally just raw sampled sets/cymbals. I would like to see more EZX's from other guys, like Staub or Bergstrand, since if you are looking for that kind of sound then it's easier to achieve. But if you really want to do it yourself then you would want one of the SDX kits and just try to process it to sound similar to their style.

 

[Siriun]

I'm not sure why everyone hates on Superior Drummer. If you really tweak around with it I've made some great presets with it and have used it on several projects.

Now don't get me wrong, real drums are on part to none. But, SD is my go-to drumkit when I need a good kit sound in the making.

 

[006]

Part of why people hate on it is because everyone and their dog has used it on a production by now. It's incredibly easy to pick out that S2.0 was used on a production within literally 10 seconds of hearing the track, if they used samples on top of the shells then at the very least the giveaway is the cymbals.

Personally, I am not a fan because the kicks are useless in all of the Toontrack products I have ever owned/used with the exception of the Metal Machine EZX. Also, the snares sound really thin, to me. The snares in Addictive Drummer/SSD4 actually sound thick and have body, how a real snare sounds. The redeeming features of it are that the cymbals do sound good, and the room mics and everything sound good on the stock Avatar kits. Toms are whatever, I think toms generally sound equal with all the drum VSTi's I have ever used. Those are my problems with S2.0, anyway. I am a fan of the Metal Machine EZX, though, it's one of the best expansions from Toontrack to date IMO.

 

[Leon--]

"Part of why people hate on it is because everyone and their dog has used it on a production by now."
Totally agree man.
You hear productions in GREAT studios that use SD on the drums.
There's no point for the room/mic position/mic preamps then.
Replacing the cymbals is basically where the individual feeling is lost.
It's a great solution if a mix engineer recieves totally out of phase OH,but I believe there's no point to go to a studio and do that.

 

[JakeAC5253]

Personally, from using SD2 Avatar set, I really liked the room miked sounds, a lot. Stuff just sounded good without having to do anything to them and they have a really warm analog feel to them. Like 006 mentioned, with the exception of the toms (which I liked as well) all the rest of the close miked tones sound like poorly tuned poorly miked dross, even from the start. Working with the Metal Foundry expansion for the last few months, I have nearly the opposite reaction. I don't use as much room sound in the drum mix and if you go through the sample list, some of the raw close miked tones actually sound a couple minutes work from a nice sound. I actually really like the low pitched snare sample in Metal Foundry, toms are ok too, but I think I prefer the toms from the Avatar set. I don't like the hat/ride/cymbal sounds in Metal Foundry as much as the Avatar set.

Not a drum expert just yet, that's just been my humble experience with working with these samples for a while. I think soon I will ditch the TT train and give Slate SSD4 a try.

 

[domingooo]

"Part of why people hate on it is because everyone and their dog has used it on a production by now."
Totally agree man.
You hear productions in GREAT studios that use SD on the drums.
There's no point for the room/mic position/mic preamps then.
Replacing the cymbals is basically where the individual feeling is lost.
It's a great solution if a mix engineer recieves totally out of phase OH,but I believe there's no point to go to a studio and do that.

i totaly don t agree. you can get lots of diferents sounds from de sd kits...
It seems that people prefers an ezx over a raw sdx... but this leads you to the same sounds in every production.

I would love to get a new sdx.. not raw, not to procesed .... maybe less kits.. but well tunned and with lots of realism