The reliability of used guitar amps

Hey guys,

I've been thinking about how I could get a really good used amp head for a good amount of money. I'm wondering whether it would be a good idea to buy one from the USA and get an international courier to deliver it to me here in the UK where I can use a power adapter to run the amp. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

It would save me a lot of money, I think, and I'd get an awesome amp in the process!
 
i bought my 900 used and it was in great condition cosmetically and electrically.

the weirdest is my 6505 i bought new (still paying it on finance, but got a crackin price of £700 on it)

ive had it replaced THREE times

but ive had it back for a while now and done a couple of gigs with it, seems to be finally holding its ground! :D
 
Hey guys,

I've been thinking about how I could get a really good used amp head for a good amount of money. I'm wondering whether it would be a good idea to buy one from the USA and get an international courier to deliver it to me here in the UK where I can use a power adapter to run the amp. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

It would save me a lot of money, I think, and I'd get an awesome amp in the process!

I have been looking into this myself due to the ludicrous price of Rectifiers over here. Basically you're looking at this:

amp price $1700
shipping $227.12
insurance $28

subtotal $1995.12

convert to £ £1297.47
+ duty @ 3.7% £1345.47
+ vat @ 17.5% £1580.93

TOTAL Price £1580.93

compared to UK best price

UK best price £1600

So basically you're not saving anything at all to be honest. Keep in mind this is for a new amp head though. You might save a bit if you went second hand, but to be honest the used market is so good right now with the recession being on that it's much less risk and hassle to just scour ebay imo.
 
I bought a used 5150 & had no problems at all! I bought a vypyr 15 brand new and it started acting up within 2 weeks. Most of the time used amps are just fine. You should only need to worry about normal wear and tear. The only thing that I would worry about is if it has obviously been dropped, had beer spilled in it, or something else major. Most normal repairs are fairly inexpensive.
 
I definitely wouldn't say ENGLs are robust, more the opposite, especially compared with most other companies.

That said, you probably won't have any problems buying used. Just go and try out the amp and make sure it's in good shape.
 
Electronics' reliability seems to follow a 'bathtub'-looking curve, in general - relatively high probability of failure at first (due to possible component and assembly faults that tend to show up early), followed by (hopefully) very few issues, and eventually an increasing probability of failure as individual components reach the end of their lives. If you're looking at something that was purchased in 2005 and made it through without issues(*), then I'd assume that you should be set. (This is assuming that we can guess how your device will behave based on how much I know about most devices behaving... but this is a decent enough assumption for common electronics, and apart from things like tube and transformer pooch-screwing we can assume this to be the case.) 1995 may be a different issue, and 1985 may warrant a decent inspection by a trusted technician... the idea is that you want to look at the lifespan of similar devices that didn't bite the dust very early on (a few years of use, in this case) and make sure that you're fine with spending the asking price on a device that may only last (expected lifetime - current age) or so.

(*) I'm assuming that the device has been properly maintained and that all 'real' issues have led to a trip to a local technician. You may be bothered by an issue that the previous owner(s) thought was normal, or you may soon see the effects of past neglect and abuse, but assuming a decently-maintained and carefully-evaluated device, I would expect few problems.

This is a remarkably useless answer if you're used to screwing with electronics, but if not then it may at least guide your rough guesses. More specific advice can be given with more specific information, so consider giving details whenever possible.

Jeff
 
Used is the way to go, I've bought almost all my guitar gear used. I've had a few issues with some of it- mostly minor things like scratchy pots but I did get 1 thing that was damaged in the post, a hafler t2 pre that only the clean channel works on. Still I've gotten so much great gear for great prices that the odd thing here and there i'm cool with

Thing is with used gear as Jbroll says above, if its worked fine for someone who bought it from new for a year or so the chances of a major failure developing are pretty slim.
 
When I bought my 2210 in January a few thing were wrong with it. I gave it to a tech and the bill was almost 300 EUR. However after few weeks of sending emails back and forth the seller agreed to pay half the service cost. Considering that I wanted to have the amp checked by a tech anyway in order to be able to rely on it at live shows I'd say it was an ok deal.

Amp incl. roadcase: 750
Shipping: 40
Service: ~300
Total: 1090
Minus Seller's share: ~150

Amp w/ case, new power tubes, one new preamp tube, new pots, new reverb spring, new cable on the footswitch, general "being looked at": ~950.

You can't buy an equivalent to the 2210 new at this point but I guess the DSL or the 2203 can serve as a comparison:

The 2203 is 1.390 (+440), the DSL is 1.138 (+188). Mind you that's without an ampcase which accounts for another 180.