Theme to teh br00tulzest thing eva! (Probably not)

[Cryo114]

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7345606

I gave up on the metal with the C30, lovely rock amp, but not very metal. Been playing with Revalver III instead and finally got a tone I like out of it! Other than that I almost died doing the vocals (25 second screams aren't good for your heart)
Bass is the C30 (It does bass nice
And for the first time ever for me... drum sample blending!
That and I went all out to master this as best as i could for a change.

I know the track is only a part of something, but its really just mixing practice for me. All feedback is greatly appreciated as I only have one pair of ears and after fucking around with this song for the last 7 hours I need some outside objectivity.

Thanks and I hope you enjoy it!

Adam

 

[Pedro Teixeira]

Hey, good guitar tone, perhaps I would change the snare sample, or just add more reverb, it's way to dry at least for me, but otherwise, pretty cool

 

[Ola Englund]

agree with sptz. I liked it overall but the snare is just way to clean for the rest. Other than that I like it alot!

 

[Cryo114]

I've added some reverb to the snare to settle it into the background a little more. Thanks for the feedback!

 

[Joematthews]

Good mix but definitly on the thin side, snare is quite bright to me aswell, but other than that its a nice

Joe

 

[paladin shredder]

it's hard for me to judge the guitar tone because the drums sound totally unnatural in an obnoxious kind of way, like someone is playing on a bunch of metal trashcans:zombie:

 

[Cryo114]

it's hard for me to judge the guitar tone because the drums sound totally unnatural in an obnoxious kind of way, like someone is playing on a bunch of metal trashcans:zombie:

Too bad for you, nobody else has had that problem. Then again, everybody else has said something constructive.

 

[paladin shredder]

i said your drums sound is unnatural, meaning you should make it sound more like actual drums. that is specific advice about how to make your general mix sound better, is it not? there are a number of ways you could try to make your drums sound more natural, like using different samples or working with the original drum tracks you have instead of just putting samples on top of everything. perhaps you should listen to your mix on differnet audio systems so you can hear how it translates on other systems as it is.

i know your post was asking about the guitar tone, but notice how everyone else said you should change your drum sound in one way or another. thats beacuse no matter how amazing your guitar tone may be, if the drums sound is poor then nobody will notice it.

 

[PostMortem1666]

i said your drums sound is unnatural, meaning you should make it sound more like actual drums. that is specific advice about how to make your general mix sound better, is it not? there are a number of ways you could try to make your drums sound more natural, like using different samples or working with the original drum tracks you have instead of just putting samples on top of everything. perhaps you should listen to your mix on differnet audio systems so you can hear how it translates on other systems as it is.

i know your post was asking about the guitar tone, but notice how everyone else said you should change your drum sound in one way or another. thats beacuse no matter how amazing your guitar tone may be, if the drums sound is poor then nobody will notice it.

+1

The drums do sound odd.

 

[Cryo114]

i said your drums sound is unnatural, meaning you should make it sound more like actual drums. that is specific advice about how to make your general mix sound better, is it not? there are a number of ways you could try to make your drums sound more natural, like using different samples or working with the original drum tracks you have instead of just putting samples on top of everything. perhaps you should listen to your mix on differnet audio systems so you can hear how it translates on other systems as it is.

i know your post was asking about the guitar tone, but notice how everyone else said you should change your drum sound in one way or another. thats beacuse no matter how amazing your guitar tone may be, if the drums sound is poor then nobody will notice it.

Thanks for the advice, man. I wasn't actually asking about the guitar tone on its own, more the overall track as a unit, so all this feedback is great. Also I don't have any original drum tracks since this is all midi programmed with addictive drums, the only sample I blended in was the Sneap snare sample, which after so many tracks with the snare getting buried and distant, turned me into a bit of a kid in a candy shop when I could make it stand out.

I did come to understand what you ment by the can sounding drums. I'm having a really hard time getting a really rapid snare part to sound good without it just slipping into the background. Any advice on that?

 

[paladin shredder]

ah, i thought by your first post you meant you were blending samples with an actual drum performance.

one critical element you are missing for your drums is room tone. with actual drums, you would set up some ambient mics. with samples, you can use reverb. you are aware of impulses if you are using revalver 3. aside from guitar cab and speaker emulation, there are tons of impulses on the web that model the natural reverb/ambiance of a professional recording studio, some of which are free. also, most of the time if you are using good quality samples, no additional processing is needed for the individual samples. many times people will think, "oh i can't hear something," so they fuck with it for hours and just keep adding eq and compression and processing until there is no life left in it. when really what they should have asked is, "what other elements in the mix are masking this?" remember, andy's sample worked in his mix the way it was for a reason! the only thing i ever do with samples is gate some of the reverb off and use my own.

so, after having said that, try just mixing the drums by themselves. try to create a 3 dimensional image of the drums. you said the snare gets lost in the mix during the fast part. that is because you are trying to put everything up front. some sounds belong in the background. reverb in the background will help give the illusion of space, and your drums will be heard more clearly because they will not be competing with the guitars for the same place in the mix. lastly, don't even worry about mastering at all! most of the guys here like it dynamic. if you do want to do a little bit of mastering, search the forum for threads about "compression on the mix bus"

 

[Cryo114]

Thanks man, you've been a great help.

I think I've had one of those moment where I've taken two steps forward and one step back. With the drums, what I've done is mistake a weak sound for a quiet one, since a lot of my snares previously were pretty thin and hense they never stood out, not because of there volume. I see what you mean about the room sound, there is room sound there but honestly, I used to be way too liberal with my reverbs and I think my reaction has been to drop them down to make things more immediate. I'll try and be a bit more moderate from now on. Never really used impulses for reverb (though I knew about them) it makes sense to use them if they're the more realistic sounding option. I know pretty well that some things have to take a back seat and not everything can be uber up front, and that things have to be blended to make a unified sound, but my problem now is what and how much.

One last question, for authenticity, would you think it was wise to use the same reverb impulse for all the drums that would have it? Hense hopefully sounding like thew were recorded all in one room.

Thanks alot for the indepth feedback and advice, its all really helpful, I'll keep it in mind and hopefully one day it will click intuatively.

Cheers!

 

[Cryo114]

New version

Is this a step in the right direction? I can't help feeling the snare is a little too hidden this time, but it feels to me like it has more clarity.

 

[Djabthrash]

New version

Is this a step in the right direction? I can't help feeling the snare is a little too hidden this time, but it feels to me like it has more clarity.

Snare sounds clear but has no punch and/or body IMO. Sounds like it's just the bottom mic used or something.
If i were you i'd try to blend with a snare sample that has a lot more body/punch.
Or maybe did you EQ/process the original snare too much (or the blend is kinda making the original snare weak for some reason).

Sorry i can't tell you "increase by 3,2 dbs @357,12 Hz" or this kind of thing cuz' i really suck at that (i try to get good sounds without EQ-ing, and then if i need to EQ i check some charts that say "snare body = 300-500Hz" (just an example) and then use my ears while Eq-ing.)

Just my 2 cents.