Thoughts on the Amanda Knox trial?
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Dead Winter
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She's guilty as sin, although the Italian courts could fuck up a rock fight. Luckily one rarely goes to prison here, and if they do it's for a very short time.
I have some heartburn with the fact that juries aren't sequestered here, as well as the fact that it takes years and years to convict anyone in court, usually due to Italian bureaucracy. It has its good side too, however; there are never any frivolous lawsuits of people suing each other for spilling coffee or slipping on a peanut husk like there are in the states.
Imo, Perugia is damn lucky she's guilty because this case may have been thrown out in the states due to a technicality.
I have some heartburn with the fact that juries aren't sequestered here, as well as the fact that it takes years and years to convict anyone in court, usually due to Italian bureaucracy. It has its good side too, however; there are never any frivolous lawsuits of people suing each other for spilling coffee or slipping on a peanut husk like there are in the states.
Imo, Perugia is damn lucky she's guilty because this case may have been thrown out in the states due to a technicality.
Dead Winter
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Absolutely...there were missteps in the process but the evidence is there that proves her guilt.
In the US, the right to freedom sometimes trumps justice, unfortunately, and this would be one of those cases were it tried in the US. It might have been thrown out due to a superfluous technicality, or at least a reduction in sentencing. Ironically, she'd probably do harsher and more jail time in the US for a lesser charge than a charge of first degree murder here.
In the US, the right to freedom sometimes trumps justice, unfortunately, and this would be one of those cases were it tried in the US. It might have been thrown out due to a superfluous technicality, or at least a reduction in sentencing. Ironically, she'd probably do harsher and more jail time in the US for a lesser charge than a charge of first degree murder here.
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Karmic
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American girl who got high and involved in some freaky sex game and helped kill/rape an English girl in Italy a few years ago.
the best part was as soon as evidence came out and it looked like she was fucked, everyone over here accused the Italians of 'anti americanism' har har har.
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which is exactly what have happened in this case:
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,SS_121504_Crash,00.html
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=29542
Macharius
Thank you for noticing.
derek
Grey Eminence
It's scary how various groups have mobilised to discredit the Italian judicial process as well as to spur some belief that the conviction was based upon Anti-American sentiment.
Psychologically, we are all incredibly affected by physical appearance and it leads to irrational conclusions. This is almost a perfect example of that.
Psychologically, we are all incredibly affected by physical appearance and it leads to irrational conclusions. This is almost a perfect example of that.
What exactly is the evidence that supports her guilt?
I was following this case last year and I came to the conclusion that she was innocent. Pretty complex though. I suspect the black dude.
I was following this case last year and I came to the conclusion that she was innocent. Pretty complex though. I suspect the black dude.
Dead Winter
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Her DNA was on the handle of the knife with Kertcher's blood on the blade. She was convicted of murder because of forensic evidence, not because of some ridiculous notion dreamt up by Americans that Italians hate Americans.
Of course any time Americans kill or maim someone in another country, they're always innocent, just like the two Marine pilots who snapped the cable car by flying too low in Italy about 10 years ago and sent 20 people plummeting to their deaths. They got off on a technicality, even when they had the voice recorder.
If there WERE some sort of anti-American sentiment, it's probably due to the fact that, well, people are tired of Americans committing crimes and getting away with them.
Of course any time Americans kill or maim someone in another country, they're always innocent, just like the two Marine pilots who snapped the cable car by flying too low in Italy about 10 years ago and sent 20 people plummeting to their deaths. They got off on a technicality, even when they had the voice recorder.
If there WERE some sort of anti-American sentiment, it's probably due to the fact that, well, people are tired of Americans committing crimes and getting away with them.
Dead Winter
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My honest opinion is that she and her boyfriend got really high and were playing some kinky sex game like they usually did, and tried to involve Kertcher and the black dude into it. Somewhere along the way, the trip went bad, they freaked, things got out of hand, and one of them stabbed her to death and then slit her throat while on the drugs. One startling realization later, while it may not be clear exactly who did the stabbing, they were all involved and they've all (quite literally) got her blood on their hands.
Why is it so hard to believe that young people can commit horrific acts? Van Der Sloot anyone? Hello?
Why is it so hard to believe that young people can commit horrific acts? Van Der Sloot anyone? Hello?
derek
Grey Eminence
The knife found at her boyfriends apartment contained no blood of Kerchner and had a vague indication of her DNA.
The most likely candidate is the Guede. He tried to run away to another country. He admitted having an encounter with her on the night and his fingerprints were in the blood
What exactly indicates that there had been a kinky sex act (or even a satanic ritual)?
That being said. I think that Knox is not very intelligent and she panicked, was under tremendous pressure and tried to put the blame on another man and make a plausible testimony. Her alibi couldn't be verified so that raises questions...
Of course I can't be sure, but her guilt doesn't seem too sound.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Forensic_evidence And it's not surprising that Knox' DNA was found on the handle as she frequented the kitchen.
The most likely candidate is the Guede. He tried to run away to another country. He admitted having an encounter with her on the night and his fingerprints were in the blood
What exactly indicates that there had been a kinky sex act (or even a satanic ritual)?
That being said. I think that Knox is not very intelligent and she panicked, was under tremendous pressure and tried to put the blame on another man and make a plausible testimony. Her alibi couldn't be verified so that raises questions...
Of course I can't be sure, but her guilt doesn't seem too sound.
Dead Winter
STAHP
...and Guede is in prison for 30 years up until he got it reduced to 16 for simply apologizing for his role in it.
...along with Sollecito and Knox, only they're still in for 25 years because they refused to apologize. Guede didn't even apologize, he just said he was sorry she was murdered but claimed he was still innocent. The point in all this is that they were all tied together in this, and that's why they're in jail.
I really don't understand why Knox is acting like such a fucking victim when she blamed an innocent man in the first place just to direct the attention away from her, and that man lost his business and was ostracized because of his suspicion. Her then-boyfriend got the same exact sentence she did as well as Guede.
What is so difficult for people to understand? EVERYONE WHO PLAYED A PART IN THE SCENE IS IN PRISON. The only reason she's not in there for longer is because it wasn't a slam-dunk case. This shit went on for about as long as the OJ trial over here, but for some reason Amanda Knox is the only one who's getting the attention. Why? Because of idiots thinking a girl is incapable of murder.
My point in all of this is that she is guilty as sin, but she probably could've been acquitted of the charges. I mean, it's harder to get put in jail than it is to stay out of jail here...you have to really, really do something stupid or bad to get thrown in jail. She's got like two more appeals left and one is currently underway this summer to review all the evidence in front of a new judge.
Also that Wikipedia article is clearly biased. I really like how there's virtually no explanation how she killed her but entire pages devoted to how she's supposedly innocent. It doesn't mention how she changed her story at least 5-6 times, never showed any remorse whatsoever over Kercher's death, conflicted her and her boyfriend's story on multiple occasions, and lied to the police by trying to frame an innocent man, and on top of it all claimed she was ASSAULTED by CARABINIERI. That's fucking hilarious.
...along with Sollecito and Knox, only they're still in for 25 years because they refused to apologize. Guede didn't even apologize, he just said he was sorry she was murdered but claimed he was still innocent. The point in all this is that they were all tied together in this, and that's why they're in jail.
I really don't understand why Knox is acting like such a fucking victim when she blamed an innocent man in the first place just to direct the attention away from her, and that man lost his business and was ostracized because of his suspicion. Her then-boyfriend got the same exact sentence she did as well as Guede.
What is so difficult for people to understand? EVERYONE WHO PLAYED A PART IN THE SCENE IS IN PRISON. The only reason she's not in there for longer is because it wasn't a slam-dunk case. This shit went on for about as long as the OJ trial over here, but for some reason Amanda Knox is the only one who's getting the attention. Why? Because of idiots thinking a girl is incapable of murder.
My point in all of this is that she is guilty as sin, but she probably could've been acquitted of the charges. I mean, it's harder to get put in jail than it is to stay out of jail here...you have to really, really do something stupid or bad to get thrown in jail. She's got like two more appeals left and one is currently underway this summer to review all the evidence in front of a new judge.
Also that Wikipedia article is clearly biased. I really like how there's virtually no explanation how she killed her but entire pages devoted to how she's supposedly innocent. It doesn't mention how she changed her story at least 5-6 times, never showed any remorse whatsoever over Kercher's death, conflicted her and her boyfriend's story on multiple occasions, and lied to the police by trying to frame an innocent man, and on top of it all claimed she was ASSAULTED by CARABINIERI. That's fucking hilarious.
Dead Winter
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And now the defense has a star witness, a mafia informer who claims his brother killed Kercher. Yes, because mafiosi certainly have the habit of killing people but then making it look like a break-in, especially in college towns and tourist attractions like Perugia. I guess he just was passing by her window and decided to butcher Meredith Kercher. Nice.
On the other hand, if she gets off it will be fucking hilarious because the Italian justice system is in dire need of an overhaul, no one's disputing that...but it will TRULY be seen as the joke that it is. That's a fact. The hilarity in all of this is that Americans everywhere got their feelings hurt because as Americans (obviously) we can do no wrong and should be able to do whatever we want to do because the rest of the world is beneath us.
In any case, if she's proven innocent and Americans exact their revenge on the world by boycotting Italy, I think that just means we should falsely imprison more Americans so I don't have to deal with idiot tourists anymore.
On the other hand, if she gets off it will be fucking hilarious because the Italian justice system is in dire need of an overhaul, no one's disputing that...but it will TRULY be seen as the joke that it is. That's a fact. The hilarity in all of this is that Americans everywhere got their feelings hurt because as Americans (obviously) we can do no wrong and should be able to do whatever we want to do because the rest of the world is beneath us.
In any case, if she's proven innocent and Americans exact their revenge on the world by boycotting Italy, I think that just means we should falsely imprison more Americans so I don't have to deal with idiot tourists anymore.
You make many bold assumptions. I don't believe half of what you said.
So, wiseguy, where is the reliable information concerning that?
Altitudes
Stay Frosty
No judge wants to be know as acquitter.
But on the other hand, if a judge loves the sound of his own voice, expect a long sentence.
But on the other hand, if a judge loves the sound of his own voice, expect a long sentence.
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