The Amanda Knox trial- is anyone following?
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Cat5Messiah
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The funny thing about the case is the sudden solidarity that spawned in the USA since the verdict was given. Virtually hours after the verdict was handed down America conjured up "anti-Americanism" as responsible for the outcome. I mean seriously, does anyone else think that's just stupid? Italians hate America so much that they're willing to jail a woman for 26 years? If this had been an American murder case, tried in America, I'm willing to bet there would be no consensus regarding her innocence even close to what there is over there. Concerning the actual crime and as to whether she had more to do with Meredith's death, who knows. I'm not stating she did. But remember this girl did give the jury reason to question her sincerity. She changed her original story multiple times (not just details, but major events) etc. Maybe she was scared and lied, or perhaps she just got her facts 'mixed up.' It's interesting, though, that trials like this in the USA always have some sort of 60/40 or 50/50 split as to the guilt or innocence of the accused in a circumspect murder trial, but when a citizen of the USA gets blamed for a similar crime overseas, of course he/she could have nothing to do with it. The 'beyond a reasonable doubt' foundation of the American legal justice system does not exist in Italy. Everyone complains about it when discussing this trial. If the same crime had been committed by an Italian citizen and got coverage in America equivalent to the Knox trial, people would be cheering and praising this fact. Clearly this has more to do with certain external factors than the actual crime committed. It would all make for an interesting sociological study.
EricT
Don't you ever get...
Nothing changes the fact that she's a dumb bitch... "Ok, here I am, safe in germany. They have no DNA evidence so they can't have me extradited... WAIT I HAVE A GOOD IDEA, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO ITALY!"
Dead Winter
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EricT
Don't you ever get...
Yes, it's an excellent show. I think its the final reality TV series too because nobody will ever be able to top it.
Dead Winter
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Well said. Italian courts are much, much less apt to send someone to jail who could possibly be innocent than American courts. On one hand it's good but on the other they err too much on the side of caution imo. If there were any doubt whatsoever that she may not have done it, it would've been fully explored and they would've acquitted her.
The jails in Italy are so full right now that they're letting small-time offenders out on parole whether they earned it or not...I'm 100% serious. They're not going to put someone away without being damn sure he/she was guilty. The Italian judicial system isn't very efficient for the plaintiffs, not the defendants. Just look at how many bullets Berlusconi has dodged in the past 15 years. Again, they'll appeal a couple of times and she probably won't even do 5 years.
As far as American outrage is concerned, I couldn't care less. Where was that outrage when the two Marine EA-6B pilots were acquitted when they neglected to look at their flight charts while doing low-altitude flying and the wing of the aircraft snapped the ski lift cable car here, causing all those skiers to plummet to their deaths from hundreds of feet in the air? They were guilty as sin...they fucked up and yet they were acquitted. Where was the outrage then? I guess since they were American they get off, huh?
The funny thing is, there is virtually no anti-Americanism here...Italians like Americans for the most part. And even if there were anti-Americanism, the victim was British, not Italian. It just happened in Italy. It's like saying a Mexican killed a Chinese person in France, and the Mexicans are claiming racism. LOLWUT?!?!?!?
Dead Winter
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It should be said, however, that the Italian judicial system is nearly broken in the central to southern parts of Italy. That's why you always hear people saying that the northern part of Italy is like a completely different country than the southern. Perugia is probably one of the most beautiful places in Italy; Assisi is amazing. For something like this to happen there is a shock to everyone. Things like this just don't happen very often. It sounds stupid, but they were not prepared for such a huge undertaking in my opinion. Most people get off because of this fact. They know that the system needs work and they use that to their advantage. It wouldn't have happened in America because, sadly, the American judicial system has lots of experience dealing with rapists and murderers.
However, we Americans have absolutely NO room to talk when it comes to fair trials and interrogation. At least Knox wasn't waterboarded and held indefinitely without a lawyer. Glass houses and all that.
You have someone used to one of the best judicial systems in the world convicted of a crime in a place with one of the worst. If she is in fact innocent, she fucked herself. You cannot give them any leeway whatsoever and have to ensure you cast doubt on the prosecution. The biggest fear of the judicial system here is to sentence an innocent to prison and she didn't use that fear in her favor. Had she done that, guilty or not, the verdict would've probably been different. The fact is, she cast doubt on herself with her erratic behavior. She lied several times and framed her innocent boss for the deed, ruining his life completely. I don't feel sorry for her.
However, we Americans have absolutely NO room to talk when it comes to fair trials and interrogation. At least Knox wasn't waterboarded and held indefinitely without a lawyer. Glass houses and all that.
You have someone used to one of the best judicial systems in the world convicted of a crime in a place with one of the worst. If she is in fact innocent, she fucked herself. You cannot give them any leeway whatsoever and have to ensure you cast doubt on the prosecution. The biggest fear of the judicial system here is to sentence an innocent to prison and she didn't use that fear in her favor. Had she done that, guilty or not, the verdict would've probably been different. The fact is, she cast doubt on herself with her erratic behavior. She lied several times and framed her innocent boss for the deed, ruining his life completely. I don't feel sorry for her.
Dead Winter
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It's a sad yet hilarious show called "I Have a Summer Share" on MTV. I only discovered it last night after seeing that punch in the face.
It's a show about all the people who have summer shares on the Jersey Shore and the antics that ensue. It's basically every Italian-American stereotype played out before your eyes. I didn't really think these people existed until I saw the show.
EricT
Don't you ever get...
Dead Winter
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No it's called that here too. I think I fucked up and saw the episode name on Youtube.
Actually, I don't even know if it's here yet. I just saw it online.
Actually, I don't even know if it's here yet. I just saw it online.
Battle.Angel
Running after the rain
Good post. Seems to me like many people over here are acting as if one of their poor citizens has been locked away by some uncivlized third-world country for smoking pot or something.
Dead Winter
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This can only spell good news for Italy. If these idiots start boycotting Italy and start making Freedom Pizza, Freedom Carbonara, Freedom Lasagna, or Freedom Puttanesca, etc., that's all the better. That means less retarded and annoying Americans over here and more room for the sane and intelligent Americans.
Hasn't the american system got a jury that decides the verdict like in Italy? That to me sounds absurd, because a zealous attorney can manipulate people's opinion( face it, most people aren't experts or do possess a very critical mind)
Anyway, I've followed this case a bit and it seems to me they are innocent. The italian prosecutor even went so far as consulting a fortune teller that told him the young couple are satanists.. OMG:zombie: Very pro...
It seems to me that Amanda is a bit naive and might have been very nervous under pressure. Putting the blame on her boss is dubious though..
I really can't see how something like this can happen, with all 3 of them guilty of murder. One person cut her throat, so one person is guilty unless they had conspired beforehand... but how can you prove that??
Anyway, I've followed this case a bit and it seems to me they are innocent. The italian prosecutor even went so far as consulting a fortune teller that told him the young couple are satanists.. OMG:zombie: Very pro...
It seems to me that Amanda is a bit naive and might have been very nervous under pressure. Putting the blame on her boss is dubious though..
I really can't see how something like this can happen, with all 3 of them guilty of murder. One person cut her throat, so one person is guilty unless they had conspired beforehand... but how can you prove that??
Dead Winter
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lolwut? A fortune teller? Where the fuck did you hear that?
She speaks fluent Italian at the age of 22 and she knows how things work here, she mentioned facts about the crime before anyone else knew anything about it, she broke a window to make it look like an intruder, changed both her and her boyfriend's stories at least 3 times, and she pointed the finger at an innocent man, ruining his life.
Yeah, she's innocent. Right. With all the mistakes that the police made and she didn't even use that to her advantage...a blind monkey could get out of being sent to jail in Italy. Yet, she couldn't with all the bumbling done by the police...she buried herself.
Again, she'll appeal and maybe get 4 years, if any. Just watch.
Also, people here aren't furious at her or calling for her imprisonment, at least not on a large scale. If anything, people are skeptical as well. Everyone's looking at the evidence.
And it didn't help that her mom said, "If she would've escaped to Germany she wouldn't have been extradited." Yeah, you're really helping her case there, mom.
She speaks fluent Italian at the age of 22 and she knows how things work here, she mentioned facts about the crime before anyone else knew anything about it, she broke a window to make it look like an intruder, changed both her and her boyfriend's stories at least 3 times, and she pointed the finger at an innocent man, ruining his life.
Yeah, she's innocent. Right. With all the mistakes that the police made and she didn't even use that to her advantage...a blind monkey could get out of being sent to jail in Italy. Yet, she couldn't with all the bumbling done by the police...she buried herself.
Again, she'll appeal and maybe get 4 years, if any. Just watch.
Also, people here aren't furious at her or calling for her imprisonment, at least not on a large scale. If anything, people are skeptical as well. Everyone's looking at the evidence.
And it didn't help that her mom said, "If she would've escaped to Germany she wouldn't have been extradited." Yeah, you're really helping her case there, mom.
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