Tom probs. need solutions

[Frank'nfurter]

Hi everyboddy

Somtimes I have the prob to hear the Cymbales in the ending of a tomhit if the Drummer plays both at near the same time. This prob I have allways with drummers with a weak hitforce to the toms. Now I use better Mic's (hypercardioid vs. cardioid) to separate toms and Cymables better then before, but in analogrecording (2" tape) it looks definetly not perfect to me.
In digital recording it's easy, I change the tom note with an other but in analog recording somtimes it's pain in the ass.
Somboddy a few good solutions for me?

 

[Andy Sneap]

there's no real easy solution if you're still on analogue besides sampling your kit and replacing the hit. Back in the day, when the bands were paying £150 for 15 min of tape, I'd just automate that sort of thing so it was a fade rather than a cut on the tom mics, it use to take ages though.

 

[kaomao]

Hi everyboddy

Somtimes I have the prob to hear the Cymbales in the ending of a tomhit if the Drummer plays both at near the same time. This prob I have allways with drummers with a weak hitforce to the toms. Now I use better Mic's (hypercardioid vs. cardioid) to separate toms and Cymables better then before, but in analogrecording (2" tape) it looks definetly not perfect to me.
In digital recording it's easy, I change the tom note with an other but in analog recording somtimes it's pain in the ass.
Somboddy a few good solutions for me?

I'm gating all the time every drum track, taking care of an advice of Mr. Sneap. With snare, toms, kick, it's ok, but with overhead it's nearly impossible to isolate the cymbals from the rest IMHO. I get everything in on cymbals track .

Maurizio

 

[Frank'nfurter]

Hi
Little misunderstanding. I mean separate the cymbals more from the tom mics. I had buyed the hypercardioid AKG C419 and it's sounds better now, but not perfekt. I also gate and compress the Toms but somtimes a hard crash hit will hard xtalk right after a tom hit. Shorten the release time of gate would be help but then the toms sounds ugly.

 

[Impy]

You can usually get lots away with EQ, a high cut filter should take care of some of the crosstalk. Don't pull it too low in frequency tho, it'll fuck the tom sound up.

 

[Impy]

There's another way too, it won't get everything away but it'll help lots. Copy the crash hit that leaks into the tom mic, reverse it and bounce it to the same track as the tom, this will cancel out most of the crash but it's really really annoying to do. Plus it doesn't work all the time, sometimes it fucks the tom sound up, try it if you want to.

 

[Frank'nfurter]

that's won't work right if the signal is'nt absolute in time and 180° phase. And on tape I have no spare tracks to do this. Mostly al 23 Tracks are full, 24 is SMPTE, and if I bounce wrong there is no UNDO button on analogue recorders.
But thanks for the Idea.

Franky

 

[Impy]

Heheh, well then that most certainly won't work

 

[Frank'nfurter]

as I said, thanks for that idea. I will try it out on a test tape to get a little more experience for that. I need it only for fast Demo tapes and direct downmix without automation. For normal productions I load the tracks from tape into Cubase SX and change the bad tom notes.

btw, sorry for my horrible english

franky

 

[Frank'nfurter]

Muuuuaaaahhh....Morning, hehehe
First, I wanna thank you Andy, Kaomao and Impy for being that kind to share your experience with me.
Verry verry kind. This is a superb forum with many experienced people in here.
I get many new ideas by reading this forum, thank you dudes

Franky

 

[Exsanguis]

You can also try triggering the toms, then running the trigger signals through your gate's sidechain, making it only open for your tom mic signal when the tom is actually hit.

 

[kaomao]

You can also try triggering the toms, then running the trigger signals through your gate's sidechain, making it only open for your tom mic signal when the tom is actually hit.

Great advice, I thing I wiil do it for my next recording

Maurizio

 

[Andy Sneap]

where'd you get that idea??? eh ;o)

 

[Exsanguis]

Lemme think. . . I think it was some book. . .