underrated bands, in your opinions
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hibernal_dream
A Mind Forever Voyaging
underrated by who?
I doubt even 0.001% of the world's population has even heard of those bands.....
If they were any good, people would listen to them and they wouldn't by underrated anymore! but i suppose advertising and image plays a part as well
I doubt even 0.001% of the world's population has even heard of those bands.....
If they were any good, people would listen to them and they wouldn't by underrated anymore! but i suppose advertising and image plays a part as well
Chalice have almost no exposure, unfortunately, because they are from Australia, and they are on a small label. They are good, but often unfairly labeled a 3rd and the Mortal rip-off (Tears Laid in Earth era).
I think Novembre is an underrated band. Or, is it simply a lack of promotion? Considering Classica was released on Century Media, I am always surprised that many people don't know of them. I think most Opeth fans would like it a lot, since they are similar in some ways.
I think Novembre is an underrated band. Or, is it simply a lack of promotion? Considering Classica was released on Century Media, I am always surprised that many people don't know of them. I think most Opeth fans would like it a lot, since they are similar in some ways.
00s im guessing that it will just be a big slosh of 20000 bands with absolutely no talent that the world went through a small phase of liking each band.... then they stopped liking them and followed the rest of the crowd and liked the next band... and then moved on to the next... then the next... none of them really stand out....
jesse
living, breathing
Uhh, I totally disagree with this logic. I listen almost exclusively to bands that probably 0.001% of the worlds population has even heard of and the same goes for many of us here - yet obviously we all think that the bands we listen to are incredible.
You think because 90% of the world has heard of Backstreet Boys, NSync, Britney Spears, Destineys Child (etc, etc, etc..) that this must mean THEY are good?
As far as recognition, sure, some underground bands get lucky and get a larger audience - but the majority of the most popular acts are popular because enormous piles of cash. Marketing/advertising and huge, mountains upon mountains of cash.
.And being 'under-rated' is a bit vauge.. because bands can be not-popular yet highly respected, so that wouldn't really mean they are 'under-rated'. Just my two cents. Heh..
Demonspell
cheating the polygraph
MetalManCPA
Papa Opeth
Tough question.
Grip Inc. - I thought they were one of the best metal bands I ever heard. But, due to ?? circumstances - 3 albums and gone. I guess that makes them underrated to me, because not many people heard of them.
Grip Inc. - I thought they were one of the best metal bands I ever heard. But, due to ?? circumstances - 3 albums and gone. I guess that makes them underrated to me, because not many people heard of them.
hibernal_dream
A Mind Forever Voyaging
You think because 90% of the world has heard of Backstreet Boys, NSync, Britney Spears, Destineys Child (etc, etc, etc..) that this must mean THEY are good?
All those groups you mentioned are products of records label's attempts to make money. Thats their aim. As for their talent, well all they do is sing, and since all of them are damn fine at it, so wouldn't that make them good? The" unknown" people behind the actual music production don't get any recognition. Does that mean THEY are good?
All those groups you mentioned are products of records label's attempts to make money. Thats their aim. As for their talent, well all they do is sing, and since all of them are damn fine at it, so wouldn't that make them good? The" unknown" people behind the actual music production don't get any recognition. Does that mean THEY are good?
jesse
living, breathing
Hah, I think you proved my point anyways. Enough. And if those "artists" I mentioned are considered 'good'... hahahahahahahahahaha (infinitely)
hibernal_dream
A Mind Forever Voyaging
Hah, I think you proved my point anyways. Enough. And if those "artists" I mentioned are considered 'good'... hahahahahahahahahaha (infinitely)
Proved your point? Where? Even though this is an Opeth forum, i think everyone here could say that Mik's clean voice is not up to any of those singers you mentioned. These are TRAINED people, not just people tagged off the street. I didn't say they were good, but noone can deny that they can sing.
Of course, "musicians" could imply knowledge of music theory, and I doubt Britney Spears could recognise a semiquaver if she was impaled by one.
Proved your point? Where? Even though this is an Opeth forum, i think everyone here could say that Mik's clean voice is not up to any of those singers you mentioned. These are TRAINED people, not just people tagged off the street. I didn't say they were good, but noone can deny that they can sing.
Of course, "musicians" could imply knowledge of music theory, and I doubt Britney Spears could recognise a semiquaver if she was impaled by one.
Windom Pearl
HUGGY!!!!
I get your point, but I disagree. We have to remember that the forces of production the "trained" people have behind them are enough to make anyone sound like a good singer. On the other hand, if we take Backstreet Boys for example, I watched them performing live at Muchmusic, and yes, they did sing in five voices without big mistakes, but still didn't sound that good. It's a matter of voice, not skill here. They sound like faggots, Mike sounds like angels and demons were fighting for the control of his body. (Now that was a bit too artistical...) And if there were five Mikes, they with no doubt would be a better boyband than any of those there is. I recall Dan Swanö having said that Mike is "master of vocal harmonies". And you don't need Swanö to say that, you can hear it pretty easily yourself.
hibernal_dream
A Mind Forever Voyaging
I get your point, but I disagree. We have to remember that the forces of production the "trained" people have behind them are enough to make anyone sound like a good singer.
Mikael may be a "master of vocal harmonies", but Dan Swano is a "master of production", pity he can't do anything else.
On the other hand, if we take Backstreet Boys for example, I watched them performing live at Muchmusic, and yes, they did sing in five voices without big mistakes, but still didn't sound that good.
You obviously haven't seen Mikael sing live. Muchmusic? Sounds like some kind of store. You can't expect anyone to sound good in a store.
It's a matter of voice, not skill here.
What does that mean? I don't understand. Or maybe you are saying that Mikael was born with a good voice where as Backstreet Boys had to sweat and work hard to perfect theirs. But that wouldn't make sense, considering how much Mikaels voice has improved over the 5 albums. Was that skill, or did it just happen naturally?
Mikael may be a "master of vocal harmonies", but Dan Swano is a "master of production", pity he can't do anything else.
On the other hand, if we take Backstreet Boys for example, I watched them performing live at Muchmusic, and yes, they did sing in five voices without big mistakes, but still didn't sound that good.
You obviously haven't seen Mikael sing live. Muchmusic? Sounds like some kind of store. You can't expect anyone to sound good in a store.
It's a matter of voice, not skill here.
What does that mean? I don't understand. Or maybe you are saying that Mikael was born with a good voice where as Backstreet Boys had to sweat and work hard to perfect theirs. But that wouldn't make sense, considering how much Mikaels voice has improved over the 5 albums. Was that skill, or did it just happen naturally?
Windom Pearl
HUGGY!!!!
Like sing and write songs? I see... Well, Swanö has nothing to do with the three last Opeth albums, so we can't blame him for Opeth's vocals, if that's what you ment.
Naw
it's a Canadian music/trends/youth-TVprogram. But yeah, good point. I haven't. But it makes no difference. I didn't say they sang bad, their voices just aren't that good, and their voices aren't good on record either.I'm saying that even after Backstreet Boys have practiced their singing technique, they still don't sound as good as Mike. Their technique may be much better, but they still don't sound good. That is, TO ME. Technically Mike's voice wasn't that good on Opeth's first albums, but it still was better. How? Emotionally. Unless singing opera, singing isn't just voice, it's feeling.
Windom Pearl
HUGGY!!!!
I participated this finnish tango monarchy contest this year. Sounds odd, but the point is to choose the best male and female tango singers of the year. And let me tell you, when in this big dancehall with some leading entertainment people and a tango queen from a few years back...I fucking shook. But I did sang flawlessly. Apart from starting with wrong words, because I had learned a different version of the song...
I sang rock (wide expression, meaning funkrock now) live last time about a year ago. We were on this punk-festival, first performers of sunday morning
I don't say I sang outta key...actually it sound pretty good when I listen to it now from video, but...the songs didn't exactly go like that. And I began to get tired and had difficulties with my breathing after the half of the set.
My point : It's so different. Those NSYNC dudes spend their days in a hotelroom, eat, drink and rest well, then they come to a ready place with perfect sound, do their show and go to sleep (after fucking their 14-year old groopies). WHOOPS.
Rock gig is a bit different thing than tango contest or a boyband dance show. In every way possible. Ask anyone
So because all of this, I can forgive Micke is he sings cleans out of key live.To me, 60% of what makes an artist "good" is the lyrical content, which throws most pop out the window because the "artists" don't even write their own lyrics. Then another 30% is how the instruments sound. Once again, bye-bye, pop, because there are no instruments. The last 10% is how the vocals sound.
The popularity of a band is totally irrelevant, because people listen to the radio and the television. The radio and television only play bands on certain record labels with a few exceptions.
For example, I think we all know the mass of talent within Century Media, but you'll never hear any of that on the radio. Same goes for Nuclear Blast. If you're lucky and live somewhere really cool then you might get one or two bands off of Music for Nations. Okay, let's take Roadrunner... We've got a mass of some really talentless bands (talent=lyrical content and instrumental brilliancy) almost all of which are extremely popular.
Thus I also disagree with the logic of unpopular=untalented.
Now! As for the thread...
My Dying Bride is AWESOME!
Moonspell is great.. if you didn't get it from my handle
Samael..
LACRIMOSA -- get some MP3s of them now.
-Langsuyar
The popularity of a band is totally irrelevant, because people listen to the radio and the television. The radio and television only play bands on certain record labels with a few exceptions.
For example, I think we all know the mass of talent within Century Media, but you'll never hear any of that on the radio. Same goes for Nuclear Blast. If you're lucky and live somewhere really cool then you might get one or two bands off of Music for Nations. Okay, let's take Roadrunner... We've got a mass of some really talentless bands (talent=lyrical content and instrumental brilliancy) almost all of which are extremely popular.
Thus I also disagree with the logic of unpopular=untalented.
Now! As for the thread...
My Dying Bride is AWESOME!
Moonspell is great.. if you didn't get it from my handle
Samael..
LACRIMOSA -- get some MP3s of them now.
-Langsuyar
hibernal_dream
A Mind Forever Voyaging
My point : It's so different. Those NSYNC dudes spend their days in a hotelroom, eat, drink and rest well, then they come to a ready place with perfect sound, do their show and go to sleep (after fucking their 14-year old groopies). WHOOPS.
And what does Mikael do? Probably drink all night before a show. I don't really care what any band does before or after a show, as long as they play well. If the vocalist sucks, I don't say "oh i don't mind, he probably had a hard night last night". It's not like Opeth are poor or anything and have to spend the night on the streets. It's all about how they sound on stage.
The popularity of a band is totally irrelevant
Of course not, popularity depends on the public, not on the band.
... We've got a mass of some really talentless bands (talent=lyrical content and instrumental brilliancy) almost all of which are extremely popular.
What do you mean by lyrical content? What kind of stuff they sing about? How many big and obscure words they use? Whether you like the lyrics or not is entirely up to you, theres no "good" or "bad" lyrics. Well maybe cannibal corpse... Still I know some people that totally dig the "I loove you foreverrrr......" kind of stuff.
To me, 60% of what makes an artist "good" is the lyrical content, which throws most pop out the window because the "artists" don't even write their own lyrics. Then another 30% is how the instruments sound. Once again, bye-bye, pop, because there are no instruments. The last 10% is how the vocals sound.
No instruments in pop eh? interesting... What kind of pop do you listen to? It must be nice to have set "rules" to be liking a band..... tell me, when you hear a band do you have a checklist and tick off things they have and don't have? How boring... I prefer the old notion "if I like it, it's good!", and always try to expand my muscal tastes, whether its 10%, 50% or 99% what I think is "good"
And what does Mikael do? Probably drink all night before a show. I don't really care what any band does before or after a show, as long as they play well. If the vocalist sucks, I don't say "oh i don't mind, he probably had a hard night last night". It's not like Opeth are poor or anything and have to spend the night on the streets. It's all about how they sound on stage.
The popularity of a band is totally irrelevant
Of course not, popularity depends on the public, not on the band.
... We've got a mass of some really talentless bands (talent=lyrical content and instrumental brilliancy) almost all of which are extremely popular.
What do you mean by lyrical content? What kind of stuff they sing about? How many big and obscure words they use? Whether you like the lyrics or not is entirely up to you, theres no "good" or "bad" lyrics. Well maybe cannibal corpse... Still I know some people that totally dig the "I loove you foreverrrr......" kind of stuff.
To me, 60% of what makes an artist "good" is the lyrical content, which throws most pop out the window because the "artists" don't even write their own lyrics. Then another 30% is how the instruments sound. Once again, bye-bye, pop, because there are no instruments. The last 10% is how the vocals sound.
No instruments in pop eh? interesting... What kind of pop do you listen to? It must be nice to have set "rules" to be liking a band..... tell me, when you hear a band do you have a checklist and tick off things they have and don't have? How boring... I prefer the old notion "if I like it, it's good!", and always try to expand my muscal tastes, whether its 10%, 50% or 99% what I think is "good"
The most under rated band I know would have to be the french band Elend. They are unheard of by pretty much everyone and split up after the release of their 3rd album in 1998.
The problem is they don't really fit into any genre. They play amazing neo classical music with orchestras, violins, soprano vocals and also incredibly depressive growls and screams. They released a trilogy of three albums that tell the story of Lucifer being thrown out of heaven and into hell, heavily based on Milton's classic "Paradise Lost" (some of the lyrics come directly from Paradise Lost) and the three albums are meant to act as a kind of satanic mass (a dark equivalent of the catholic mass).
It is the most beautiful, dark and atmospheric music ever, but will sadly never be heard by many people as the albums are now very hard to get hold of (I had to import them from france).
If anyone is interested I am working on a webpage for the band which can be found at http://www.geocities.com/elenkis/elend.html (site wont work under netscape 4). It is currently the only english webpage for the band online :-(
If anyone here uses Audio Galaxy I strongly recommend that you do a search for Elend and check out some of their songs! You should be able to find a fair amount of them on there.
There is all a good review of two of their albums here: http://chedsey.com/list/elend.htm
Check it out! Please?!
The problem is they don't really fit into any genre. They play amazing neo classical music with orchestras, violins, soprano vocals and also incredibly depressive growls and screams. They released a trilogy of three albums that tell the story of Lucifer being thrown out of heaven and into hell, heavily based on Milton's classic "Paradise Lost" (some of the lyrics come directly from Paradise Lost) and the three albums are meant to act as a kind of satanic mass (a dark equivalent of the catholic mass).
It is the most beautiful, dark and atmospheric music ever, but will sadly never be heard by many people as the albums are now very hard to get hold of (I had to import them from france).
If anyone is interested I am working on a webpage for the band which can be found at http://www.geocities.com/elenkis/elend.html (site wont work under netscape 4). It is currently the only english webpage for the band online :-(
If anyone here uses Audio Galaxy I strongly recommend that you do a search for Elend and check out some of their songs! You should be able to find a fair amount of them on there.
There is all a good review of two of their albums here: http://chedsey.com/list/elend.htm
Check it out! Please?!
Russell
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Really? I don't care greatly about lyrics. Yeah they can annoy me, but what really matters to me is the music. Good lyrics can add a lot, but the way i see it ultimately if u like lyrics the music inhibits these, so you might as well go and read poetry...
some of you people really disgust me... you really are asking me to call you stupid arent you....
heres the deal.... nsync.... i mean.... comon now.... i've seen them live on TV several times on MTV bullshit and i could be 100% sure that they weren't really singing.... also.... it doesnt matter how good you actually are at singing.. what your singing matters alot more then how you sing it.... how about mikael sings shit that is awesome and complex and ... if you gave me a day... i could write a pop song.... i could write the main vocal melodies.... i could do it easily too.... the songs are predictable... boring... and way happy and non musical.... kinda like most death metal bands..... yes im comparing nsync to death metal... cliche ... boring.... and anyway to the last point - why the fuck are you comparing nsync with mikael we all know whos better and thats that!!... ( i cant believe i was forced to use my time in such an argument)
heres the deal.... nsync.... i mean.... comon now.... i've seen them live on TV several times on MTV bullshit and i could be 100% sure that they weren't really singing.... also.... it doesnt matter how good you actually are at singing.. what your singing matters alot more then how you sing it.... how about mikael sings shit that is awesome and complex and ... if you gave me a day... i could write a pop song.... i could write the main vocal melodies.... i could do it easily too.... the songs are predictable... boring... and way happy and non musical.... kinda like most death metal bands..... yes im comparing nsync to death metal... cliche ... boring.... and anyway to the last point - why the fuck are you comparing nsync with mikael we all know whos better and thats that!!... ( i cant believe i was forced to use my time in such an argument)
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