vocals?

[Line Level Recordings]

hey
so i know i post alot ( im sorry )
but
i just would like to hear your thoughts on how make vocal track sit in a mix(screaming and singing)
iv searched and searched, and im guessing this wasnt brought up

but please correct me if im wrong.
so, got any information you would like to share?

 

[jval]

definitely has been brought up...and i've only been posting here a month or so...
tons and tons and tons and tons of compression. i'm usually doing about 8-10db on the way in, another 6-14 on a comp plugin, and then limiting 2-4db... sometimes there's even more going on...
maybe sounds crazy to some but ask anyone successfully mixing pop/rock/metal music... it's normal to have at least 20db of compression on a vocal.
you need a compressor or limiter that gives it some sort of vibe/attitude though.

 

[Line Level Recordings]

thanks alot for the tips
and thanks for not rubbing it my face about the vocal threads
i havnt found any
i guess ill look harder next time

and it doesnt sound crazy it makes sense once you actually think about it

 

[BLUElightCory]

Also, once you have the vocal sound dialed in (EQ/Compression/etc), turn your monitor down to whisper-level and bring the vocal up just to the point where you can hear it clearly. This is generally a good level to mix the vocal.

 

[Line Level Recordings]

Also, once you have the vocal sound dialed in (EQ/Compression/etc), turn your monitor down to whisper-level and bring the vocal up just to the point where you can hear it clearly. This is generally a good level to mix the vocal.

hey cory thanks alot man
p.s. i like your stuff
sounds sick dude
keep it up

 

[if6was9]

A nice verb that suits the tracks atmosphere is a must- I like using halls and plates especially the lexicon and bricasti m7's impulses that acousticas brought out. Mix it in so that you can just about hear it, then bring it down a hair.
Same goes for subtle delays- can really sit a vocal in without anyone really hearing its there.
Also automate the hell out of it- I find myself more using compression for the sound that compression gives and automating ALOT to make the vocal consistent.

Also a simple mixing one but one that gets overlooked alot, make room for the vocals- cut a little in your guitars/snare and boost the same region on your vocals. It really adds clarity and definition to your mix without really changing the level and sound much at all.

 

[Morgan C]

Try not to over-EQ vocals. Use the right mic, and then do broadband EQ if necessary. Over-EQing, especially narrow Q's, will make it sound really unnatural.

 

[Line Level Recordings]

A nice verb that suits the tracks atmosphere is a must- I like using halls and plates especially the lexicon and bricasti m7's impulses that acousticas brought out. Mix it in so that you can just about hear it, then bring it down a hair.
Same goes for subtle delays- can really sit a vocal in without anyone really hearing its there.
Also automate the hell out of it- I find myself more using compression for the sound that compression gives and automating ALOT to make the vocal consistent.

Also a simple mixing one but one that gets overlooked alot, make room for the vocals- cut a little in your guitars/snare and boost the same region on your vocals. It really adds clarity and definition to your mix without really changing the level and sound much at all.

thanks for the info dude
but unfortunately i dont have any impulse loader for mac . . .
do you know where i can get one?

 

[Line Level Recordings]

Try not to over-EQ vocals. Use the right mic, and then do broadband EQ if necessary. Over-EQing, especially narrow Q's, will make it sound really unnatural.

im using a Rode NT2 ( not NT2a )
that seems good enough...right?

 

[Morgan C]

im using a Rode NT2 ( not NT2a )
that seems good enough...right?

Its less about having a mic that's 'good enough' and more about having one that suits the vocalist's voice. Different singers will have spikes in different frequencies, and some mics may accentuate the bad parts of their singing. Unfortunately for us poorer folk, diversity isn't really an option (or if it is, its a lot of cheap mics, not a lot of high-quality mics). I use a PG81 for all my vocals and it seems to do ok, I'm sure a Rode NT2 would be fine.

 

[Line Level Recordings]

Its less about having a mic that's 'good enough' and more about having one that suits the vocalist's voice.

makes sense

 

[gabriel g.]

You are fine with the rode!!!
I do it like Jval said, but without compression on the way in.

A simple and not to expensive tool is the waves Rvox, it is a no brainer to use and gives you a Pro-vocal sound within 1-3min.

I am not using reverb always, it ALWAYS depends on the music.

When you are mixing tough guy HC or punk f**k the reverb....when mixing pop send the vocal takes to a reverb and a soft delay....

But compression is always a good start

 

[gmo18t]

Hi,

do you ever tried Steady auto leveler vst bevor a compressor plugin ? In heavy mode a subsequent compressor isn't necessarily needed.
I prefer the 1.3 release (not the 1.4 vocal version) in heavy mode ...
should help a lot !

- gMo -

 

[Trevoire520]

Lots of good info on this thread http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/production-tips/499638-depth-vocal-mixing-thread.html

 

[TheDriller]

Automation,
lots of it,
on every word and syllable,

then you can start thinking about compression.

 

[Line Level Recordings]

Automation,
lots of it,
on every word and syllable,

then you can start thinking about compression.

:zombie:

 

[Line Level Recordings]

Lots of good info on this thread http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/production-tips/499638-depth-vocal-mixing-thread.html

wow
you werent over exadurating . . .

 

[jval]

i definitely compress before automation... you might be able to get an even level with auto but it's compression that gives you that up-front sound.
also you don't need reverb in every mix... sometimes just a subtle delay, or nothing at all.
try pre-delay on the verb to keep the vocal from sounding distant.
I keep reading here that no one likes to EQ vocals... strange because I'm always adding a lot of top end and doing other EQ stuff. If you flip on the radio for a sec you'll hear lots of high end added to any pop rock vocal... must be because someone popular here doesn't eq vox... hmmmm joey?
haha

 

[Line Level Recordings]

i definitely compress before automation... you might be able to get an even level with auto but it's compression that gives you that up-front sound.
also you don't need reverb in every mix... sometimes just a subtle delay, or nothing at all.
try pre-delay on the verb to keep the vocal from sounding distant.
I keep reading here that no one likes to EQ vocals... strange because I'm always adding a lot of top end and doing other EQ stuff. If you flip on the radio for a sec you'll hear lots of high end added to any pop rock vocal... must be because someone popular here doesn't eq vox... hmmmm joey?
haha

Tu shey (or however the fuck you spell it lol )

 

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