Wanted: Cubase 3/4

[kickinwing65]

Hey guys,
I really want a legit copy of Cubase/Nuendo for my studio and don't feel like breaking the bank. If anybody is upgrading or anything and has a copy that would like to give me a deal on, it would be much appreciated, if its possible (not sure how the license deal works.)

If its not possible, don't flame me, I simply don't know any better

Keep it Metal.

 

[KeithReyn]

Hey dude, alot of guys suggest Reaper. its only $50 and people seem to love it. I use Sonar 8 and am 100% happy. Id like to learn how to use Reaper though.

Anyway, its just a suggestion...Good luck either way man!
http://reaper.fm/

 

[KillFrenzy]

Reaper is $50 for non-commercial use only and $225 for a commercial copy. Although it's only a matter of honesty.

Edit: and please, do yourself a favor and buy Reaper instead of Cubase. I did so and couldn't be happier

 

[Metaltastic]

Yup, loving Reaper here!

 

[Temps]

I could sell you my Cubase Studio 4. I just recently purchased it so it is covered by the free grace upgrade to 5.

I'm probably switching to Reaper

 

[Mutant]

Reaper Mafia attack ! lol



I love my Reaper too and hate cubase.

 

[J.DavisNJ]

Logic 8 for the win!

There is a guy in the U.K. selling it on ebay (multiple units) for wayyyy cheaper than the retail price. I bought mine from him.

-Joe

 

[kev]

OK guys, whats the lowdown on reaper and why should i switch to it from cubase?

 

[Metaltastic]

Well, if you've already got a (legal) copy of Cubase that you're happy with, I can't see much of a reason - not saying Reaper is any worse, but I don't consider it to be much better, though that's probably cuz I haven't dove too deeply into the unique things it's capable of (as far as routing/editing is concerned). To me, the big reason I went for Reaper was because I liked editing and mixing in it as much (actually a little bit more) than the cracked copy of Cubase I had been using (in my reckless youth ), and it cost $50!

 

[Temps]

OK guys, whats the lowdown on reaper and why should i switch to it from cubase?

I'm switching because Cubase 4 hates my computer, crashes a lot, and drops audio frequently. My pirate version of Cubase SX3 was ROCK SOLID so I'm going back to something reasonably priced, even though I love the workflow in Cubase and know how to work everything. I'm waiting a bit to get 5 though, to see if that solves my problems.. but I doubt it will.

 

[digitaldeath]

OK guys, whats the lowdown on reaper and why should i switch to it from cubase?

I don't use Cubase and never have, but I can give you my impressions of Reaper as a user (Reaper 2.55 Beta on OSX).
First of all it's cheap, check the site.
The developers are constantly updating it with a least one update a month.
The forums are great. There is a strong community of users behind Reaper (the same can be said for Cubase for sure) but what I find to be different is the fact that the developers actually listen to the users. I tend to hang out in the Reaper IRC channel a lot and I've seen the developers fix problems for people right there and including the fix in the next update. They actively listen to the community and regularly implement feature requests.
Coming from Pro-Tools M-Powered, I was delighted to finally have Plugin Delay Compensation (PDC) but of course, Cubase has this too.
The included plugins, while not very fancy, do a very good job!
The routing options in Reaper are simply mind numbing and mastering the routing matrix (much like a patchbay) will seriously speed up your workflow. Every track can be whatever you want it to be ie. audio, instrument (MIDI) or Aux. You don't have to worry about busses either. For example, lets say you want to buss a bunch of vox tracks to a reverb aux - right click on a vox track and you'll see the options "Sends ->" and "Receives ->". From the Sends popup is a list of all of the tracks in your project, simply select the track to send it to. Alternatively, you can tell your Aux track to Receive from other tracks. This cuts down the amount of messing you have to do with busses.
Reaper also supports macros, skins, can be installed to a memory stick and loads mighty quick.
Yes there are downsides to Reaper (I hear that Cubase is much better at MIDI), there are downsides to every DAW, but for the price (it's free to try for 30 days), the community & support etc. you got to at least try it out. Download Reaper, download the manual (I purchased the manual and an extra book on mixing - fantastic resources) and give it a try, you really have nothing to loose.

Digi.

 

[Metaltastic]

Good points Niall - also, I would add that on my computer, Reaper is fully open within 1 second of clicking on the shortcut; observe!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjGo-woQYZ8&feature=channel_page[/ame]

 

[JonWormwood]

I´m a Nuendo user and downloaded Reaper just to check it out. I used it only twice and, as far as I remember, the MIDI sucked, and the menus were very ugly and a bit confusing. But the worst thing by far on Reaper for me is that the VSTs aren´t listed on a insert column on the left, like on Nuendo. This was a major lowdown for me and made me give up testing the DAW, but other than that I can say very good things about it. It´s a really small software, fast and no DAW on earth could possible beats it on the "bang-for-the-buck" aspect. It seems that they update Reaper very often, so I gues that I will try it again this year.

This.

 

[digitaldeath]

I used it only twice and, as far as I remember, the MIDI sucked, and the menus were very ugly and a bit confusing.

MIDI is not great, but much better than it was - much better than what it was in PT 7.4!
Regarding the menus, yes there are many which could be tidied up a bit but with them comes great power. RTFM I say...

But the worst thing by far on Reaper for me is that the VSTs aren´t listed on a insert column on the left, like on Nuendo.

Reaper is not supposed to look & behave exactly like Nuendo.
Click the FX button and you'll see your FX chain.
I have my mixer in Reaper's dock and can see everything I need to see (FX, sends etc.)

Personally I think that if you ditched Reaper after only trying it twice - then you're probably best sticking to your current DAW anyway.

 

[Metaltastic]

But the worst thing by far on Reaper for me is that the VSTs aren´t listed on a insert column on the left, like on Nuendo.

Not quite sure what you mean here...but one other thing I wanna mention is in case anyone doesn't know, you can disconnect the mixer from the bottom half and make it a full-size window that can be toggled (I use Ctrl = like in PT, cuz that's what I'm used to)

EDIT: Wait, you mean when you expand the "inserts" thing on the track display on the left while in the edit window? Well the lack of that in Reaper doesn't bother me, that's what the mix window is for (PT is also this way)

 

[Metaltastic]

Yup, that's what I guessed with my EDIT above - I have no trouble doing a quick Ctrl = to get to the mix window for that, just as I would in PT

 

[slashvanyoung]

It's the same way in Cubase and I like it too, but that's not even remotely close of being a deal breaker on Reaper for me.

 

[rvs0002]

Hey guys,
I really want a legit copy of Cubase/Nuendo for my studio and don't feel like breaking the bank. If anybody is upgrading or anything and has a copy that would like to give me a deal on, it would be much appreciated, if its possible (not sure how the license deal works.)

If its not possible, don't flame me, I simply don't know any better

Keep it Metal.

If you are a student you can get the EDU copy of Cubase for 199.00. It is also permitted to buy someone's copy, they just transfer the e-license to you on the Steinberg site in their account (or give you the dongle). I have done this before and the Steinberg folks walked me through it.

I will say that I have used Pro Tools (own it), Reaper (30 day demo version) and Cubase SX3 / Studio 4 (own it) and I'm a Cubase fan hands down. Not being familiar with any DAW until I tried these, Cubase FOR ME was the most intuitive and easiest to get up to speed with. I rarely use Pro Tools anymore (unless I'm working on a project with another PT user), and when I do it just takes me forever to get anything done. Reaper was very cool, but I'm not very good at MIDI and it was pretty impossible for me to function with it in Reaper. Cubase is a great MIDI editor (in my opinion) especially if someone gives you some quick pointers (or a video tutorial...thanks again 006!).

Anyway, the best thing to do is to try out any demos you can, watch some tutorial videos on You Tube, and see if any of your buddies that use something you are interested in will let you sit with them for an hour. There will be one that really just fits how you work and feels right. They all get you the same result anyway, it's just which one will you enjoy getting there with?

 

[kickinwing65]

Thanks for the suggestions, I think I will give reaper another try. I'm just so used to working Cubase/Nuendo I don't even have to think about anything. I am a student so I could probably see spending $200 rather than $600 or so.

 

[_RiseInside_]

Used Nuendo for years. Now it´s only Reaper. It´s great.